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RE: In the Beginning Man Was Stupid
November 10, 2012 at 5:34 pm
(This post was last modified: November 10, 2012 at 5:36 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I have one, seeing as the narrative is complete and utter garbage, why did some schmuck have to be strung up a few thousand years later to clear a curse that was never laid as punishment for a transgression that never happened by a god that doesn't exist?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: In the Beginning Man Was Stupid
November 10, 2012 at 5:37 pm
I doubt that the other side agrees with the implied premises in that question. That's the problem: If we can't even agree on the premises how can we get anywhere with logic?
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RE: In the Beginning Man Was Stupid
November 10, 2012 at 5:43 pm
I declare Drich bested by Cinjin; so endeth this thread.  Finish him, centurion.
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RE: In the Beginning Man Was Stupid
November 10, 2012 at 6:01 pm
(November 10, 2012 at 5:43 pm)Gambit Wrote: I declare Drich bested by Cinjin; so endeth this thread. Finish him, centurion.
How short sighted.
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RE: In the Beginning Man Was Stupid
November 10, 2012 at 6:03 pm
(November 10, 2012 at 5:37 pm)DoubtVsFaith Wrote: I doubt that the other side agrees with the implied premises in that question. That's the problem: If we can't even agree on the premises how can we get anywhere with logic? Drich was trying to get somewhere with logic? I was unaware.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: In the Beginning Man Was Stupid
November 10, 2012 at 6:43 pm
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RE: In the Beginning Man Was Stupid
November 10, 2012 at 7:07 pm
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I really wish you had given a fourth option. "A metaphorical tale meant to explain the origin of humans to ignorant people who couldn't possibly know any better". Or something along those lines. Lots of ancient cultures have these sorts of silly and entertaining creation myths. The big difference being that most people accept most of them as the myths that they are.
Still, I like your breakdown of just how silly this particular creation myth is. 
I'd also like to point out a huge fallacy Drich is using, though I don't know the name of it. He often attributes very human qualities to God, such as with his "who at the cookies" analogy", but then at other times, god is unknowable and beyond our ken, such as in the problem of evil argument in another thread, where-in gods goodness (when he murders entire swaths of innocent, for example) cannot be understood by humans.
So why does God not have to conform to our morality (a major issue), but he totally conforms to stupid little social norms, like asking "okay kids, who ate the fruit?".
p.s. God used to conform to human morality completely, at the time all that shit was written, it was considered perfectly moral to do any and all of it. It is only when held by MODERN standards that god suddenly falls short. This alone should give any thinking person a pause...
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RE: In the Beginning Man Was Stupid
November 11, 2012 at 5:51 am
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(November 10, 2012 at 6:03 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Drich was trying to get somewhere with logic? I was unaware.
I'm not suggesting that he was... but are you not trying to use logic against him?
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RE: In the Beginning Man Was Stupid
November 11, 2012 at 2:57 pm
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No, ridicule, absurdity, and general mockery. People take this "god" song and dance far too seriously. It's fairies and fucking goblins, it doesn't deserve serious consideration.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: In the Beginning Man Was Stupid
November 11, 2012 at 2:59 pm
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Ah I see. And for what purpose do you use those weapons? Entertainment?
I'm too serious anyway.
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