How the Hypocrite Leftwing Argues

[Rev. Rye]

LOL! The lady behind the curtain is right...you're a Dork!

Are you even trying anymore?

[DeistPaladin]

LOL! The lady behind the curtain is right...you're a Dork!

Are you even trying anymore?

I think this is what he was referring to:

[CliveStaples]

Nope, it's wrong no matter who does it. Neither side has clean hands when it comes to attacking members of minorities who don't meet their expectations of how they 'should' act.

When you're right, you're right. Of course, the other side doing it in no way justifies one's own side doing it. Tu quoque doesn't refute, it only 'tu quoques'.

Absolutely. Saying, "But your side does it too!" doesn't excuse bad behavior. But the topic at hand in this thread is in particular how the ("hypocrite") left wing argues. And it is hypocritical to argue for tolerance and then act in these kinds of ways.

And if someone made a thread talking about hypocrisy on the Right--which this echo chamber does almost weekly--I'd pop in and mention how some of the same people who argue for "freedom of speech" and "free exercise of religion" also argue for banning flag burning and mandating a pledge of allegiance that includes what is essentially a paean to theism. But this is not that thread.

[A Theist]

LOL! The lady behind the curtain is right...you're a Dork!

Who do you think got me into Hetalia?

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Lol....It's all you dude! It's all you!

[Whateverist]

But the topic at hand in this thread is in particular how the ("hypocrite") left wing argues.

I for one will concede that the hypocrite element in the left wing is as deplorable as the that of the right wing. Thank god there are so many fewer of us but, you are correct, that doesn't make it any better.

And it is hypocritical to argue for tolerance and then act in these kinds of ways.

Right on! Fuck anyone who is against tolerance, man. Those bastards don't deserve to live.

*removes tongue from cheek*

[A Theist]

LOL! The lady behind the curtain is right...you're a Dork!

Actually, his story is quite similar to what I've heard from my boyfriend. His previously conservative political beliefs were entirly dependant on his being in what I call 'the mormon bubble.' When he went to college, even just a local community college, it broke the bubble and he saw that the minorities and how they were treated. He learned facts about how the government works that went specifically against the Fox News dogma he had been raised with. He learned about geology and astronomy, defying the creationist beliefs he had been taught. Most importantly, he met other queer people and realized we're not the evil deviants he thought we were. And once his mind had been stretched by these ideas, these experiences and even these people, it can't go back no matter how hard you try.

I'm wondering what those business classes say about a shrinking customer base for business, because that's what why I suspect the economic recovery has been so sluggish. Big corporations and banks bounced back pretty quick because they got so much government assistance. Little guys, like the home owners who had their home repossessed or the millions of people who wound up laid off, they didn't get any help. When they lost their money or home or whatever, the demand the created was suddenly taken out of the market and hasn't really been replaced. We need a champion for demand side economics.

"When he went to college, even just a local community college, it broke the bubble and he saw that the minorities and how they were treated."....DP shared a similar story, living something of a sheltered life in a good neighborhood while growing up and somewhat successful parents...On the otherhand mine is the reversal, the complete opposite of what they experienced growing up... I grew up and lived and worked in the poor neighborhoods in the inner city, (until about 12 years ago), the South Side of Columbus, Ohio. My parents were the working poor and that's how our family lived...poor. What money my parents did earn, my Dad would blow it on his expensive hobbies and on his leisure time while myself and my siblings went without new clothes and shoes for school....my Dad is the perfect example of the attitudes of those living in the poor inner-city neighborhoods, (with the exception that he actually had a job and worked),...selfish, lazy, and will sacrifice nothing that interferes with their leisure time...I went to racially mixed inner-city public schools, poor whites and poor blacks...I was in High School at the peak of the so-called black revolution in the early '70's...and it was hell being white and going to school at that time...you want to talk about racism and violence...for sure, you didn't want to be caught alone somewhere by a group of blacks,...and the poor whites who lived in those neighborhoods were no better...and still aren't....they all have a con game and they all have some sad story...and they all think they're owed something without working for it....if you wake up one morning with something missing from your property, all you have to do is walk next door to your neighbor's house and see your stuff on their front porch...You call the police only to be told there's nothing they can do if you can't prove it's yours while your thieving neighbors sit there with smirks on their faces...Opportunities to do better?...pssshhhttt.....not if those opportunities mean giving up their leisure time and their drugs, their whoring about, and their alcohol...I was also a Democrat until Ronald Reagan and have voted Republican ever since.

"When he went to college, even just a local community college, it broke the bubble and he saw that the minorities and how they were treated."...He learned all that in college, how minorities are treated?...Ha ha....try actually growing up and living in the inner-city and see what it's really all about....you liberal whites who lived sheltered lives and who've probably never been to an inner city have no clue what you're talking about...but somehow a college course in social studies makes you an expert...

"Little guys, like the home owners who had their home repossessed or the millions of people who wound up laid off, they didn't get any help."...That's not entirely true...because there is federal help available for homeowners who are facing foreclosure....The Hardest Hit Program, is one of those, for example....The federal government will help struggling homeowners to stop foreclosure proceedings and will work with your mortgage company to pay the back amount owed, to a certain considerable amount, in addition to a loan remodification that will reduce your current interest and house payments.....Hardest Hit Program. and there's also the 'Home Affordable Modification Program, i.e....
http://www.knowyouroptions.com/modify/ho...on-program

[festive1]

On the otherhand mine is the reversal, the complete opposite of what they experienced growing up... I grew up and lived and worked in the poor neighborhoods in the inner city, (until about 12 years ago), the South Side of Columbus, Ohio. My parents were the working poor and that's how our family lived...poor. ...selfish, lazy, and will sacrifice nothing that interferes with their leisure time...I went to racially mixed inner-city public schools, poor whites and poor blacks......and the poor whites who lived in those neighborhoods were no better...and still aren't....they all have a con game and they all have some sad story...and they all think they're owed something without working for it....Opportunities to do better?...pssshhhttt.....not if those opportunities mean giving up their leisure time and their drugs, their whoring about, and their alcohol...

So you are basically saying that poverty, not race has more to do with the problems America is facing. I tend to agree with this, though race is a factor and an important issue in and of itself.
So my question is: How can you, in good conscious, not support a leveling of the playing field? How can you justify a system designed to keep poor people poor, through the ineffectual educational systems found in most inner-city environments, through the curtailing of labor rights, through the abject demoralization that the poor of our country face? How do we, as a nation, help those who need it? How do we give people hope that they can do better and achieve their goals? This certainly will not occur by keeping them in their current societal position.

Ha ha....try actually growing up and living in the inner-city and see what it's really all about....you liberal whites who lived sheltered lives and who've probably never been to an inner city have no clue what you're talking about...but somehow a college course in social studies makes you an expert...

When I was young, my family was poor. I remember coming home to the lights being shut off because my mom had to make a choice between groceries and the electric bill, all because my dad would gamble or drink away the income she brought home. We lived in a crummy, run-down apartment complex on the wrong side of town. After my parents divorced, we moved to the hometown of Wal*Mart where my mom had gotten a good job. We went from being poor to being middle-class to being upper-middle class (mom's a workaholic which meant I was a latch-key kid, which has it's own issues). From what I experienced living with the kids of millionaires (and billionaires), they have no fucking clue how the other half lives. They don't comprehend how non-wealthy people live, because they simply have never seen or experienced anything like it. They can't fathom having to make difficult choices with their money, like choosing between buying shoes for your kids or putting food on the table. It's simply not something they have ever had to consider. Hence why they have a Marie Antoinette attitude of, "Let them eat cake." Educating and exposing them to poverty is the only solution.
For the working poor, busting one's ass doesn't provide the payoffs of earning more, being promoted, of being able to provide something better for their families, so what's the point? Social mobility is at a standstill. It's even starting to run backwards. Why bust your ass if there is no benefit to it?

[A Theist]

On the otherhand mine is the reversal, the complete opposite of what they experienced growing up... I grew up and lived and worked in the poor neighborhoods in the inner city, (until about 12 years ago), the South Side of Columbus, Ohio. My parents were the working poor and that's how our family lived...poor. ...selfish, lazy, and will sacrifice nothing that interferes with their leisure time...I went to racially mixed inner-city public schools, poor whites and poor blacks......and the poor whites who lived in those neighborhoods were no better...and still aren't....they all have a con game and they all have some sad story...and they all think they're owed something without working for it....Opportunities to do better?...pssshhhttt.....not if those opportunities mean giving up their leisure time and their drugs, their whoring about, and their alcohol...

So you are basically saying that poverty, not race has more to do with the problems America is facing. I tend to agree with this, though race is a factor and an important issue in and of itself.
So my question is: How can you, in good conscious, not support a leveling of the playing field? How can you justify a system designed to keep poor people poor, through the ineffectual educational systems found in most inner-city environments, through the curtailing of labor rights, through the abject demoralization that the poor of our country face? How do we, as a nation, help those who need it? How do we give people hope that they can do better and achieve their goals? This certainly will not occur by keeping them in their current societal position.

Ha ha....try actually growing up and living in the inner-city and see what it's really all about....you liberal whites who lived sheltered lives and who've probably never been to an inner city have no clue what you're talking about...but somehow a college course in social studies makes you an expert...

When I was young, my family was poor. I remember coming home to the lights being shut off because my mom had to make a choice between groceries and the electric bill, all because my dad would gamble or drink away the income she brought home. We lived in a crummy, run-down apartment complex on the wrong side of town. After my parents divorced, we moved to the hometown of Wal*Mart where my mom had gotten a good job. We went from being poor to being middle-class to being upper-middle class (mom's a workaholic which meant I was a latch-key kid, which has it's own issues). From what I experienced living with the kids of millionaires (and billionaires), they have no fucking clue how the other half lives. They don't comprehend how non-wealthy people live, because they simply have never seen or experienced anything like it. They can't fathom having to make difficult choices with their money, like choosing between buying shoes for your kids or putting food on the table. It's simply not something they have ever had to consider. Hence why they have a Marie Antoinette attitude of, "Let them eat cake." Educating and exposing them to poverty is the only solution.
For the working poor, busting one's ass doesn't provide the payoffs of earning more, being promoted, of being able to provide something better for their families, so what's the point? Social mobility is at a standstill. It's even starting to run backwards. Why bust your ass if there is no benefit to it?

"So you are basically saying that poverty, not race has more to do with the problems America is facing. I tend to agree with this, though race is a factor and an important issue in and of itself."...If you want to agree with that fallacy go ahead...but I never said any such thing that poverty or race has more to do with the problems facing America...I said it was the attitudes of apathy, selfishness, and the idea that everybody owes them something that's the problem with people who live in those neighborhoods.

"So my question is: How can you, in good conscious, not support a leveling of the playing field?"...Are you freaking serious! What leveling of the playing field are you talking about...you mean throwing more money at the problem and expanding more government programs? That's not going to solve one thing until the people in the poor inner city areas change their freaking attitudes that they're always owed something and take on some personal responsibility for themselves....put down the drugs and alcohol, stop thinking of yourself and put aside the leisure time, nobody owes you a freaking thing that you haven't earned and worked for, get off your lazy entitlement butt, forget about your Bingo games and get a job! That's the best program out there for leveling the playing field...there's no way that you lived in a poor neighborhood long enough to not see that....unbelievable!

[festive1]

but I never said any such thing that poverty or race has more to do with the problems facing America...I said it was the attitudes of apathy, selfishness, and the idea that everybody owes them something that's the problem with people who live in those neighborhoods.

How about the problems of the wealthy? The greed? No matter how much the wealthy have, it's never enough. The despising of people who don't have the opportunities they were born into? If apathy and selfishness are part of the problem, the wealthy are just as much to blame as the poor.

Are you freaking serious! What leveling of the playing field are you talking about...you mean throwing more money at the problem and expanding more government programs?

How about redistributing the wealthy's fortunes? No one needs a personal fortune in the 10's or 100's of millions, let alone in the billions. If they want a fortune that size, well, they are selfish, greedy bastards. If we redistributed all of America's wealth, waited a few generations, and I guarantee you it wouldn't be the currently wealthy that have amassed more wealth. You want to talk about poor work ethics, what about the snot-nosed, rich, bastard who has his mom call his college professor to protest a poor grade that was well deserved because he did not apply himself? He'll still have a job waiting for him when he graduates though, at daddy's law firm.
The poor are apathetic because virtually nothing they do makes any difference to their condition. The wealthy are apathetic because they can afford to be, they don't have to do anything and still have everything materialistically needed (or desired) to live.

there's no way that you lived in a poor neighborhood long enough to not see that....unbelievable!

What I saw were people struggling. Struggling with addiction, violence, poverty. I saw lots of children, who were suffering for no other reason than having the audacity of being born into poverty. How dare they?

[Mister Agenda]

We need a champion for demand side economics.

And maybe then we can transition to keeping in mind that economics isn't one-sided.