All Hail the Second Amendment

[Amarok]

Will never happen 

Left wing tyranny like in Venezuela can happen in US if current trends will continue

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They were when guns and a few cannons were all the government had. That day might come again, but currently it's absurd to think that a rabble, sorry, I mean "militia", could stand up against the US Army.

Militia can easily cut US army supply chains so war will be over in few months.

1. This poster is political scaremongering 

2. Venezuela you mean that country that overthrew a tyrannical government with armed revolution 

3. Mao the guy who overthrew a  tyrannical government with armed revolution 

And no against the might of the American government your militia's are fucked

[onlinebiker]

Left wing tyranny like in Venezuela can happen in US if current trends will continue

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Militia can easily cut US army supply chains so war will be over in few months.

1. This poster is political scaremongering 

2. Venezuela you mean that country that overthrew a tyrannical government with armed revolution 

3. Mao the guy who overthrew a  tyrannical government with armed revolution 

And no against the might of the American government your militia's are fucked

Can tell you spent not 2 seconds in any branch of the US services.


You'd be hard pressed to find enough service personnel that would turn guns on US citizens to be effective.

WTF you gonna do? Nuke yourself???

Bomb civilians???


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[Amarok]

Can tell you spent not 2 seconds in any branch of the US services.

True

You'd be hard pressed to find enough service personnel that would turn guns on US citizens to be effective.

And you would have an even harder time organizing every gun owner in american into a coherent force . Presupposing a large enough number actually put their money were there mouth is an actually fight. And that presupposes the government doesn't find ways to turn one segment against the other by convincing them the people their fighting are "the bad guys or "terrorists" . Your idea is naive at best .

WTF you gonna do? Nuke yourself???

Wouldn't need too

Bomb civilians???

Depends if the government can convince the populous the people their bombing are "civilians "

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I swore an oath to protect the Constitution from all enemies, foreign or domestic. That oath wasn't forsworn when I retired.

[onlinebiker]

I swore an oath to protect the Constitution from all enemies, foreign or domestic. That oath wasn't forsworn when I retired.

And most see their loyalties to " we the people" rather than " them the government".

[Amarok]

And most see their loyalties to " we the people" rather than " them the government".

The later can easily manipulate people into believing they are doing the former

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I swore an oath to protect the Constitution from all enemies, foreign or domestic. That oath wasn't forsworn when I retired.

And most see their loyalties to " we the people" rather than " them the government".

Really? I never knew.

[Maketakunai]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/07/2...343070564/

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/japan
only 11 people were killed by firearms in Japan. Why? They have very strict laws on firearms.

2008: 11
2002: 47
2001: 56
1997: 34
1996: 36
1995: 42

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states
9,484 killed by firearms in 2008.

2009: 9,146
2008: 9,484
2007: 10,129
2006: 10,225
2005: 10,158
2004: 9,385
2003: 9,659
2002: 9,369
2001: 8,890
1999: 8,259
1998: 9,257

Well, what do you think now?

3 problems with this:

1. Based on The United Nation's Office of Drugs and Crime statistical analysis of murders by any method per 100,000 inhabitants, out of 230 countries, Japan ranks 118th in overall murder rates. America ranks 94. Statistically, Japan isn't even in the to 50% of nations where a person stands a reasonable chance of not being murdered so it is hardly a good example to use. The actual safest 15 countries are tiny, homogenous populations in the middle of the ocean somewhere that can contribute their high ranking to culture, and the need to live with each other without an outside support network. 

2. That means that in those 93 countries that rank higher in overall murder rates, you stand a much higher chance of being stabbed, clubbed, or machete'd to death simply because the relatively painless method of shooting someone is just not very easy to pull off. Not allowing access to firearms simply encourages people to murder each other in more gruesome ways.



3. While ANY claim that if "X" did not exist then it could not be used may be accurate, it is also entirely meaningless if "X" actually exists.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Of course the people who aren't murdered with firearms will definitely be murdered by other means, so it's useless to try to control the plague.

[Maketakunai]

Of course the people who aren't murdered with firearms will definitely be murdered by other means, so it's useless to try to control the plague.

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's useless to try to "control the plague", as you say. I would simply suggest trying to actually understand the disease instead of watching the bodies stack up because someone is prescribing the wrong medication. 

Blaming guns for murder is like blaming beds for Gonorrhea.