DHS purchases 1.6 billion hollow point rounds.

[Anomalocaris]

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."
Mao Zedong

Mao was a warlord. You might find universal adherence to this principle whereever there is a failed state, and little adherence whereever there is a durable state.

[JohnDG]

I am curious if you know what an IDIQ contract is, John. I'm also curious if you have a clue who uses what kind of ammunition (hollow point versus FMJ) and why?

IDIQ is indefinite dilivery and quantity am I right? From what I know hollow points are illegal in war because the geneva conventions because they enduce suffering and make sure the target dies. Hollow points do have Mj's right? But besides those rounds fmj's are used for armor peircing purposes.

To be honest people should use both, because if you mixed in a few hollow points you are sure to kill protection or not.

So John, have you returned from the dead to continue posting your pathetic nonsence?

Same kinda nonsense that happened in Germany around the 40's? Sure, you know what I'm glad that I don't spend my life on this website.

Hollow points are useful for a situation in which your target is positioned amongst a crowd of non-combatants. IOW, they reduce the risk of penetrating the target and continuing on the the bystander behind the target. They give greater knowdown power but also cause greater damage as side effects of the manner in which this is achieved (from the perspective of law enforcement they're extremely advantageous if the target is armored btw - as it amounts to hitting someone in the chest with a very large very fast sledgehammer). That sounds like a pretty legitimate reason to deploy the round to me.

Yes police departments already use them, so why let them have full auto's? These rounds however without any facts besides the purchase will more likely go to the TSA.

Mao was a warlord. You might find universal adherence to this principle whereever there is a failed state, and little adherence whereever there is a durable state.

Do you live in America, do you realize the economics of America and EU are failing? It wouldn't be so bad if we didn't import everything.

[Something completely different]

Same kinda nonsense that happened in Germany around the 40's? Sure, you know what I'm glad that I don't spend my life on this website.

Uhhh so what? better than wasting my life surfing throught the absurdest conspiracy theories and being a annoying twat.

So how is there a fashist style take over right now?

And why are you the only one to notice?


Do you actualy have any facts, ever to deliver? Do you know what facts mean?

[Brian37]

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."
Mao Zedong

This assumes that it is a one way street always leading to fascism. That same attitude freed America from Britain and Libya from Gaddaffi.

And since when? Our pay gap hasn't grown as a result of my boss sticking a gun to my head to lower my hours. Money can be as powerful as a gun, and so can a grassroots movement.

Power can arise in many ways through many means, but it always takes money to maintain it once you get it.

[JohnDG]

Nothing will change, there will just be those with power and those without power, anything else is just pretense. All we can do is accept reality and just keep existing.

[Something completely different]

WHAT WILL NOT CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Conspiracy troll!
I think you realise that no one here buys into your "New world order" shit and resort to preaching shit.

[Anomalocaris]

Mao was a warlord. You might find universal adherence to this principle whereever there is a failed state, and little adherence whereever there is a durable state.

Do you live in America, do you realize the economics of America and EU are failing? It wouldn't be so bad if we didn't import everything.

Is this the church of the second amendment's equivalent of eschatology?

[JohnDG]

WHAT WILL NOT CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Conspiracy troll!
I think you realise that no one here buys into your "New world order" shit and resort to preaching shit.

My goal was never to make you buy anything, just burn into your memory.

But in truth I found that many on here are right, it simply does not matter true or not there is nothing you can do just accept it as reality.

[popeyespappy]

I am curious if you know what an IDIQ contract is, John. I'm also curious if you have a clue who uses what kind of ammunition (hollow point versus FMJ) and why?

IDIQ is indefinite dilivery and quantity am I right? From what I know hollow points are illegal in war because the geneva conventions because they enduce suffering and make sure the target dies. Hollow points do have Mj's right? But besides those rounds fmj's are used for armor peircing purposes.

To be honest people should use both, because if you mixed in a few hollow points you are sure to kill protection or not.

Yes, IDIQ is indefinite delivery indefinite quantity. These are IDIQ contracts. What that means is DHS isn’t stock piling anything. At least not per the information in your links. Solicitation Number HSFLGL-12-B-00003 is an attempt by the government to get the best possible price by saying, “Hey guys, we might buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next 5 years. We need vendors capable of providing that kind of quantity. If you can then what is your best price based on minimum orders of 1,000 rounds each?” DHS hasn’t actually bought anything on that contract. DHS probably won’t buy quantities even close to the maximum value of the contract. They are just looking to put contract vehicles in place that will allow them to buy small quantities of various types of ammunition on an as needed basis from vendors that are capable of producing large quantities should the need arise. BTW this is a multiple award solicitation so potential suppliers don’t have to be capable of producing everything that is asked for, only the specific amount asked for on each type of round that they reply to.

Hollow points are useful for a situation in which your target is positioned amongst a crowd of non-combatants. IOW, they reduce the risk of penetrating the target and continuing on the the bystander behind the target. They give greater knowdown power but also cause greater damage as side effects of the manner in which this is achieved (from the perspective of law enforcement they're extremely advantageous if the target is armored btw - as it amounts to hitting someone in the chest with a very large very fast sledgehammer). That sounds like a pretty legitimate reason to deploy the round to me.

Yea, hollow point rounds transfer energy a lot better than non-hollow point rounds. At least they are supposed to. The kinetic energy of the round is transferred both to the target as the round expands presenting a larger surface area, and into deforming the round itself. As Rhythm pointed out it is a good way to limit penetration. Limiting penetration to your target is usually a very good idea no matter who you are.

[Minimalist]

Do you live in America, do you realize the economics of America and EU are failing? It wouldn't be so bad if we didn't import everything.

Why don't you just use one of your precious guns to kill yourself? You sound as if you would be happier in the long run.

“Hey guys, we might buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next 5 years.

Pap, this reminds me of the time when I walked into the office of the manager of the Criminal Investigation group ( the IRS guys with guns ) and he was sitting there with box after box of ammunition piled up. I casually asked "Planning on starting a war?" ( The joke was that CI never fired their guns.... they were accountants who could make arrests...except in practice. ) He informed me that they had bought 10,000 rounds of "practice ammunition" with "ceramic" bullets. Naturally, I asked what the point of that was and he said that they were getting richochets from hitting the steel frames on the targets. I said, "if your guys could shoot better they wouldn't hit the frames." He told me to go fuck myself. (We always got along.)

Anyway, several months later this manager was giving a gun safety class to a bunch of his agents when his gun accidentally discharged planting a ceramic bullet on the concrete right next to his foot. The shards went through his shoe which led to lots of jokes about CI shooting itself in the foot. We never did let him live that down.