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[split] t-shirt to soul topic
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One can only learn with an open mind
 Arrogance... certainty... and RtDC... those prevent one's learning, and allow their ideals to own them. Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
 (September 6, 2009 at 5:31 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I'm the one claiming that something doesn't exist physically = I am the one making the negative claimActually, the burden of proof rests on the one making any claim. You are not claiming that thought doesn't exist physically, you are claiming that thought exists non-physically. Physical existence is the default position given it is the observable and testable position. To say something exists but non-physically is to make the positive claim, since non-physical things are not observable / testable.  
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: [split] t-shirt to soul topic
September 7, 2009 at 3:14 am
(This post was last modified: September 7, 2009 at 3:28 am by fr0d0.)
(September 6, 2009 at 8:14 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Actually, belief in a soul or mind posits a "something", ergo a positive claim. You must have evidence to support either claim if you are going to defend them properly. My discussion with Kyu here is not over the Soul. It stems from a previous discussion that thought is physical - his (and EvF's) assertion. I'm not defending the mind's existence as anything other than it seems. Kyu, on the other hand, claims that thought (& possibly the mind too) are actually physically existent. I'm interested in that, and as they make such a claim would like evidence from them. Neither of them seem to be able to provide it so I wonder how they can make such a claim. I believe the burden of proof lies with them. If they can't 'prove', then they should retract. (September 7, 2009 at 12:42 am)Tiberius Wrote: Actually, the burden of proof rests on the one making any claim. You are not claiming that thought doesn't exist physically, you are claiming that thought exists non-physically. I made no claim - I come from the default position.. that thought isn't something physical. I don't see how, without making assumptions, that you can summise that thought is physical. To me what you're saying is arse about face. It is your worldview that "Physical existence is the default position given it is the observable and testable position". You're straining the logic bus by saying now I have to prove that something doesn't exist. This is saying that suddenly you're allowed to assert something without proof. I don't see why you can't follow convention and reserve judgement. Your side has so far failed to provide the proof that they claim exists.  (September 6, 2009 at 1:55 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Is that the best you can do? A list of psychology journals? Could you be any more vague? That was quick, this is less so but still not complete ... there's nearly 1000 journals in this, incomplete, list. (September 6, 2009 at 1:55 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Which is? Don't tell me ... there's a bit no one has detected yet because ... guess what ... it's not detectable!!!!! IF that's it (or anything like) what a pile of fucking shit!Erm... you're arguing against your own point here. I didn't write that[/quote] My bad! (September 6, 2009 at 1:55 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(September 6, 2009 at 12:38 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: YOU are the one claiming thought is non-physical not I, YOU are the one making the base claim AGAINST the available evidence. YOU must provide the supporting evidence for YOUR claim not me!Have you listened to yourself Kyu? No, the burden rests upon the person making the EXTRAORDINARY claim and YOU are the one making the claim! Kyu Angry Atheism
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H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe (September 7, 2009 at 6:16 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: That was quick, this is less so but still not complete ... there's nearly 1000 journals in this, incomplete, list.Kyu. This is bullshit. Show me one example that proves your point. Last chance. (September 7, 2009 at 8:02 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: No, the burden rests upon the person making the EXTRAORDINARY claim and YOU are the one making the claim!I claim nothing. I just doubt what you are claiming. You made the claim - I said prove it. Not that I think you're necessarily wrong, just I don't see the justification. (September 7, 2009 at 8:56 am)fr0d0 Wrote:(September 7, 2009 at 6:16 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: That was quick, this is less so but still not complete ... there's nearly 1000 journals in this, incomplete, list.Kyu. This is bullshit. Show me one example that proves your point. Last chance. Last chance or fucking what? You'll report me to your fucking cardboard cartoon god? Jeez ... I'm quaking at the thought, no, no ... I really am ... honest!! (September 7, 2009 at 8:56 am)fr0d0 Wrote:(September 7, 2009 at 6:16 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: No, the burden rests upon the person making the EXTRAORDINARY claim and YOU are the one making the claim!I claim nothing. I just doubt what you are claiming. You made the claim - I said prove it. Not that I think you're necessarily wrong, just I don't see the justification. No, I did not, the assumption is that thought is physical for reasons already given (would you like me to list them for you one more time?) ... YOU are the one claiming thought/mind is NOT physical, YOU are the one making the EXTRAORDINARY CLAIM therefore YOU are the one who must provide the EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE. Kyu Angry Atheism
Where those who are hacked off with the stupidity of irrational belief can vent their feelings! Come over to the dark side, we have cookies! Kyuuketsuki, AngryAtheism Owner & Administrator
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: [split] t-shirt to soul topic
September 7, 2009 at 3:39 pm
(This post was last modified: September 7, 2009 at 3:39 pm by fr0d0.)
Ok I get it Kyu. You have no evidence and you're ducking the question.
I'll move on. (September 7, 2009 at 3:39 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Ok I get it Kyu. You have no evidence and you're ducking the question. I'll move on. And I repeat (for the terminally disingenuous) ... I will repost my reasons (the evidence that effectively makes thought implicitly physical and therefore puts the onus on YOU to provide the EXTRAORDINARY evidence to support YOUR EXTRAORDINARY claim) if you so wish! Kyu Angry Atheism
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