Hell

[Little Rik]

As far as you know.............
The problem with knowing what is that it takes a lot of effort to know how the whole system works.
To find the gold hidden underground you got to dig and dig a lot.
If you never dig and at the same time pretend to know then you can only say.........AS FAR AS I KNOW.........
The same is the case with knowing and find out the difference between mind and spirit.
Most people think that you are the mind when in reality the mind in none other then the store in which we keep all information just like the hard drive of a computer.
We are the real thing not the mind.
Again it is important not to confuse the driver with the vehicle.
The vehicle can go to the dogs once is getting too old but you will continue your journey with a new vehicle.

We've experienced death. The condition that you're in when the mind ceases to work (no electric activity to allow neurons to function together)
is the same condition as before you were born. How a consciousness is formed is the complicated part.

It gets even more complicated when adding something called God into it who must also have a consciousness as this being seems to have choices to make, is perfect but not perfect and lacks qualities theists are supposing he has even though evidence shows the exact opposite.

It is obvious that our minds are nurtured into belief because there is no default view on religion. People learn to believe, some are born more susceptible to different types of belief and that combined with certain upbringings creates people like Godschild.

I don't make assumptions about anything EVER, I only speculate likely events.
Not sure what you're on about in the rest of your post, seems ambiguous.

Hell isn't very likely for many reasons, people have different interpretations of hell and once again these have been learnt.

1) The consciousness does not need any electrical activity to work.
This has already been established by thousand of people who had NDE experiences.
2) I wish people who spread religious dogmas like Godschild wake up and grow up. Because of them many people think that spirituality and religions are the same rubbish thing when in effect spirituality is not based on dogmas or false truth.

[Simon Moon]

Because no god would wiggle it's wiener at people, they would not need to entice in such a crude manner.

No god worth worshiping would create a system that would punish people for eternity for a finite thought crime.

If such a god did exist, he should be fought against in any way caring, empathetic humans can muster.

Here's a couple of questions for you GC:

1. How could you personally consider it Heaven, knowing that billions of your fellow humans are being tortured for eternity for a finite crime?

2. Do YOU think that people deserve eternal punishment for a finite crime?

[Soyouz]

We've experienced death. The condition that you're in when the mind ceases to work (no electric activity to allow neurons to function together)
is the same condition as before you were born. How a consciousness is formed is the complicated part.

It gets even more complicated when adding something called God into it who must also have a consciousness as this being seems to have choices to make, is perfect but not perfect and lacks qualities theists are supposing he has even though evidence shows the exact opposite.

It is obvious that our minds are nurtured into belief because there is no default view on religion. People learn to believe, some are born more susceptible to different types of belief and that combined with certain upbringings creates people like Godschild.

I don't make assumptions about anything EVER, I only speculate likely events.
Not sure what you're on about in the rest of your post, seems ambiguous.

Hell isn't very likely for many reasons, people have different interpretations of hell and once again these have been learnt.

1) The consciousness does not need any electrical activity to work.
This has already been established by thousand of people who had NDE experiences.
2) I wish people who spread religious dogmas like Godschild wake up and grow up. Because of them many people think that spirituality and religions are the same rubbish thing when in effect spirituality is not based on dogmas or false truth.

NDE's can be recreated through drugs and I would not agree with this being the same as death.
The condition you're in when you're lacking the components to form thoughts is the same condition prior to birth, it's as simple as that. What occurs as the components are about to be destroyed is different. All I can say is that we don't know enough yet to make any claims.

If NDE's have something to do with moving on to an afterlife or heaven, why would this be created by God in such an ambiguous way? Far from all people experience them (out of those who have been near death and in similar conditions) this shows that some people are more vulnerable to this "spiritual experience" as many describe it, than others.

Furthermore God knows who will experience this or not, he knows who doubts it so why create an experience that strengthens the belief in those that believe and create more scepticism in those that do not believe?

Does God have consciousness? Can he make choices? How can choices be made without past experiences? If God is all-knowing he knows every single event that will happen from the first second right until he decides the end of the universe, keep in mind that he should know this decision prior to the decision being made as well.

What's happening is that human features are being combined with a God who is supposedly perfect but cannot function perfectly with these features. If less assumptions were made about God then there are ways and possibilities that could make him work, but still not as there's always a claim being made which we cannot know until it has been observed.

Some things cannot be observed, we cannot observe ourselves when we are dead and it is therefore pointless to make a claim. There is a big chance however of death being the end of existence as we know that prior to the development of our consciousness there was no existence (that we could experience).

I also think that further problems will be achieved if we assume there is an afterlife as there would be little sense or purpose to it if we assume God is all-knowing. He knows who who will end up in heaven or hell. He should know this as he has created the recipe for every single component that exists.

I'd personally like to know what would be done in heaven or hell. In hell God would be punishing people because he set them up with traits and an environment which lead them into trouble in life, the only one responsible is the creator himself. The one responsible for anything happening is God if we take on the assumption that God has created everything.
In heaven, would we be receiving pain or pleasure without neurotransmitters as we no longer have our physical body (brain)?

[Cinjin]

I stabbed your god in the throat and left his corpse to rot in Mexico. Prove me wrong, catfish

... I'll just sit back and laugh at your silly claims...

Ironic much??

(unless of course, you wish to admit to lying)

Lying?!! of course not. I KNOW I killed your god, the same way you KNOW that he still exists. You KNOW what you know, and I KNOW what I know.

Proof is clearly unnecessary for you. If you claim that I am lying than you will indeed have to prove it - you know, the same way you just demanded that we prove to you that your god does not exist.

I can't show you his corpse cause I left it in mexico and I'm sure it's been devoured by now by the local animal population (and the heat), but if you KNOW that this same god is alive and well, I'm afraid you sir, have to be lying.

...............unless of course you have some proof.

you don't??? .... well guess what, neither do I
.

[catfish]

Yeah, but I don't care what you believe...

[Cinjin]

Yeah, but I don't care what you believe...

... and we don't care about you.

(hey look, we have something in common with your god.)

[Godscreated]

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Because no god would wiggle it's wiener at people, they would not need to entice in such a crude manner.

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No god worth worshiping would create a system that would punish people for eternity for a finite thought crime.

I agree with you about this, however God did not create a system and God does not punish people for finite crimes, thought or otherwise. Just exactly what kind of thought crimes are you referring to?
God punishes people for unforgiven sin against Him, He is eternal and thus the sin is eternal unless forgiven.

Here's a couple of questions for you GC:

1. How could you personally consider it Heaven, knowing that billions of your fellow humans are being tortured for eternity for a finite crime?

First of all as I said above the sin is eternal, second they are not tortured, third it will be each persons choice as where they will spend eternity. I can only choose for me, and with those in hell eternally separated from God then they will be separated from those in heaven, we'll know nothing about them and why should we they made their choice for themselves.

2. Do YOU think that people deserve eternal punishment for a finite crime?

No I do not, I have already explained that sin is against the eternal God so there is no finite to it, it's eternal.

[Little Rik]

Soyouz........................NDE's can be recreated through drugs and I would not agree with this being the same as death.
The condition you're in when you're lacking the components to form thoughts is the same condition prior to birth, it's as simple as that. What occurs as the components are about to be destroyed is different. All I can say is that we don't know enough yet to make any claims.

If you don't know enough yet to make any claims why then atheists claim that there is no life after physical death?

If NDE's have something to do with moving on to an afterlife or heaven, why would this be created by God in such an ambiguous way? Far from all people experience them (out of those who have been near death and in similar conditions) this shows that some people are more vulnerable to this "spiritual experience" as many describe it, than others.

As far as i know 100% of people who had NDE experiences say that God exist for real even those who did not believe in God before.
So is not really a question of percentages.
The bright and shining vision instead vary from person to person and is fair and just that the system work in this way as some people deserve better then other.

Furthermore God knows who will experience this or not, he knows who doubts it so why create an experience that strengthens the belief in those that believe and create more scepticism in those that do not believe?

How can create more scepticism in those that do not believe?
Once you see and feel his presence why anyone should continue to not believe?
At that stage is not a question to believe or not but is a question to suffer or to enjoy according to individual and according to their deeds.
It is like a planet rotating around the sun.
The further you are the colder it is the closest you are the hotter it is.
The goal of life for a human being is to merge with the supreme entity and become one with it.
Like a drop of water that merge into the big ocean she will become the ocean herself.
Physical death is nothing but a stage in which we will end up in a new body in tune with our state so during the period in which we loose our present body we experience the closest or the further distance from the supreme consciousness according to our actual state and situation.

Does God have consciousness? Can he make choices? How can choices be made without past experiences? If God is all-knowing he knows every single event that will happen from the first second right until he decides the end of the universe, keep in mind that he should know this decision prior to the decision being made as well.

There is no end to the universe.
There is no beginning and there is no end.
The time is a pure illusion.
For us the time may be never ending because we have to struggle to survive and when you struggle the time go slower and slower but when you are in peace with yourself then the time came to a halt.
To understand this one has got to search within by practicing intuitional science or tantric yoga.
The time run for the creation not for the creator therefore is an illusion for him and a reality for us.

What's happening is that human features are being combined with a God who is supposedly perfect but cannot function perfectly with these features. If less assumptions were made about God then there are ways and possibilities that could make him work, but still not as there's always a claim being made which we cannot know until it has been observed.

The gold is there under the ground as the God is there deep within our essence.
It is a question to unlock the door that prevent us from getting this God out and present with us.
As it is unlikely that God manifest within the consciousness of a rapist or a murderer it is also likely that he will manifest within the consciousness of someone who care about him to be manifest.
Would you care about someone who do not care at all about you?

Some things cannot be observed, we cannot observe ourselves when we are dead and it is therefore pointless to make a claim. There is a big chance however of death being the end of existence as we know that prior to the development of our consciousness there was no existence (that we could experience).

Who told you that we can not observe ourselves once we are dead?
We are not the body.
As the driver dump the car once it rot away at the same time the driver will be alive and well once the body rot away waiting for a new body or vehicle to continue the journey to the goal of life.

I also think that further problems will be achieved if we assume there is an afterlife as there would be little sense or purpose to it if we assume God is all-knowing. He knows who who will end up in heaven or hell. He should know this as he has created the recipe for every single component that exists.

Who told you that there is a hell?
Godchild or Santa?
God is like your father. He is waiting for you to overcome all obstacles so one day you will be able to reduce the radius that separate you (the microcosm) from him (the macrocosm) and unite like a drop of water that merging into the ocean become the ocean herself.

I'd personally like to know what would be done in heaven or hell. In hell God would be punishing people because he set them up with traits and an environment which lead them into trouble in life, the only one responsible is the creator himself. The one responsible for anything happening is God if we take on the assumption that God has created everything.

Again do not listen to Godchild when he tell you that hell is real.
In this tread i already explain why there can not be any hell outside this dimension in which we can create paradise or hell by doing the right or wrong thing.

In heaven, would we be receiving pain or pleasure without neurotransmitters as we no longer have our physical body (brain)?

Every dimension has got his peculiarities.
You find very difficult to think at way to act without all our physical and mental situation and i can understand that but is important to also understand that in different situation you will find different system that will allow someone to be in tune with that situation.