Women rights in Islam

[Psykhronic]

If nobody cared when women have sex, would you feel the need to justify the control your religion asserts onto them?

[Esquilax]

If women waited until they were married to have sex would there be a culture of calling women bitches, sluts, whores as is the norm while it's expected for men to have sex with women? That the guy is "cool" if he has sex with a lot of women but if a women does she's a slut. That's what having sex out of marriage does it lead to extreme patriarchal societies.

So, essentially your solution to the problem of gender inequality is that the victims of it need to modulate their behavior to suit the prejudices and preferences of the source of the problem, rather than the troublemakers modulating theirs?

That's like arguing that racism would go away just so long as those darn black people would stop being around white people so much. It's not solving the problem, it's knuckling under. Giving in.

If the woman has any earnings during her marital life, by way of investments of her property or as a result of work, she doesn't have to spend one penny of that income on the household, it is entirely hers.

That's the same here.

The full maintenance and support of a married woman is the entire responsibility of her husband, even though she might be richer than he is. She doesn't have to spend a penny.

One might successfully argue that this expectation is also a symptom of patriarchy.

At the time of divorce, there are certain guarantees during the waiting period and even beyond for a woman's support.

Ditto here, really. Ask yourself why such support structures would have been enacted in the first place.

If the widow or divorcee has children, she's entitled to child support.

Why are you acting like things that are common everywhere are some kind of national step up for you guys?

During the period of engagement, a woman is to be on the receiving side of gifts.

At the time of marriage, it is the duty of the husband, not the bride's family. He is supposed to pay for a marital gift. The Quran called it a gift, and it is exclusively the right of the woman. She doesn't have to spend it on the household, she doesn't have to give it to her father or anyone else.

In fact, this entire thing seems vaguely condescending: "Look at this, the woman gets all these pretty trinkets, that she gets to spend all by hersewf!" As if gender equality can be measured merely by the number of special observances paid to women at certain times.

If the woman happened to own any property prior to marriage, she retains that property after marriage. It remains under her control. Also, in most Muslim countries, the woman keeps her own last name, and her own identity.

Kinda true everywhere.

Seriously, is this all you think gender equality is about?

[Sleepy]

There are no problems for women in Iran. Iran- against Imperialism, al qaeda, taliban

[Captain Colostomy]

Ayatollah Khamenei, God bless him.

Standing up imperialism.

Sleepy must be a reference to your walking around with your eyes half closed, huh?

Oy gevalt.

[Psykhronic]

There are no problems for women in Iran. Iran- against Imperialism, al qaeda, taliban

Yeah, ignoring problems is not the same as problems not existing.

[Sleepy]

If women waited until they were married to have sex would there be a culture of calling women bitches, sluts, whores as is the norm while it's expected for men to have sex with women? That the guy is "cool" if he has sex with a lot of women but if a women does she's a slut. That's what having sex out of marriage does it lead to extreme patriarchal societies.

So, essentially your solution to the problem of gender inequality is that the victims of it need to modulate their behavior to suit the prejudices and preferences of the source of the problem, rather than the troublemakers modulating theirs?

That's like arguing that racism would go away just so long as those darn black people would stop being around white people so much. It's not solving the problem, it's knuckling under. Giving in.

If the woman has any earnings during her marital life, by way of investments of her property or as a result of work, she doesn't have to spend one penny of that income on the household, it is entirely hers.

That's the same here.

The full maintenance and support of a married woman is the entire responsibility of her husband, even though she might be richer than he is. She doesn't have to spend a penny.

One might successfully argue that this expectation is also a symptom of patriarchy.

At the time of divorce, there are certain guarantees during the waiting period and even beyond for a woman's support.

Ditto here, really. Ask yourself why such support structures would have been enacted in the first place.

If the widow or divorcee has children, she's entitled to child support.

Why are you acting like things that are common everywhere are some kind of national step up for you guys?

During the period of engagement, a woman is to be on the receiving side of gifts.

At the time of marriage, it is the duty of the husband, not the bride's family. He is supposed to pay for a marital gift. The Quran called it a gift, and it is exclusively the right of the woman. She doesn't have to spend it on the household, she doesn't have to give it to her father or anyone else.

In fact, this entire thing seems vaguely condescending: "Look at this, the woman gets all these pretty trinkets, that she gets to spend all by hersewf!" As if gender equality can be measured merely by the number of special observances paid to women at certain times.

If the woman happened to own any property prior to marriage, she retains that property after marriage. It remains under her control. Also, in most Muslim countries, the woman keeps her own last name, and her own identity.

Kinda true everywhere.

Seriously, is this all you think gender equality is about?

No that's what I'm saying nor is it what I said. Your brain just can't comprehend it.

Both men and women need to wait until sex for marriage. A men can't have sex without a women and vice versa. The trouble makers are the ones who brand women as sluts and yet expect them to have sex when they decide. The only way that stops is if women make the decision to not be constantly used because men are the ones who are causing the injustice. Rape is mostly done by men and is considered just another crime rather than what is truly is. A disgusting act. Rape and having sex with a lot of bitches is what's cool here.

That's your idea of women's rights, this imaginary choice of oppression. If you can't see past it it's your problem. But you're a brainwashed liberal, like a hamster on a wheel.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

What about a man allowed to married 4 wives but a woman can only have 1 husband?

Your beloved prime minister of Iran also called for a reverse of their extremely successful family planning saying that "women should focus on having kids" or something along those lines, and not working. Yes, awesome society for women there. I also saw this documentary, where women had to be photoshopped if their veil revealed hair. They had to photoshop the hair away, and photoshop their sleeves to make them cover 3/4 of their arms. This is Iran. And let's not forget that in many muslim countries, there are services for women where they can surgically reconstruct their hymen so that their husbands would think they're virgins. Why would anyone go through this kind of pain and trouble if muslim men respect women as equals?

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Fuck this shit, did you just call women who have sex bitches? Did you actually say that rape is cool "here"? Where the fuck is this "here"? Need I remind you that many muslim government allow for child marriages and rape is not considered rape if it's your husband? What about the fact that rape is only legitimate if you have a male witness or 2 female witnesses?

[Sleepy]

What about a man allowed to married 4 wives but a woman can only have 1 husband?

Your beloved prime minister of Iran also called for a reverse of their extremely successful family planning saying that "women should focus on having kids" or something along those lines, and not working. Yes, awesome society for women there. I also saw this documentary, where women had to be photoshopped if their veil revealed hair. They had to photoshop the hair away, and photoshop their sleeves to make them cover 3/4 of their arms. This is Iran. And let's not forget that in many muslim countries, there are services for women where they can surgically reconstruct their hymen so that their husbands would think they're virgins. Why would anyone go through this kind of pain and trouble if muslim men respect women as equals?

A women's womb can hold the child of how many men? A man's sperm can go into infinite women. Just biologically, if a species is to reproduce and a specimen is capable of reproducing with multiple women what is most logical?

Second, what is the exact quote? Also, the fertility rate in Iran is less than average in the world. They really do need a higher fertility rate.

Third, there's nothing wrong with the photoshop as what happens when a women's hair is long and flowing? It's extremely attractive. That women might have a husband, family. It's not righteous to fantasize over women and to sexually objectify them in your thoughts unless it's your wife. With the hijab that doesn't happen and the women is respected. She's not there for any man's vieiwing pleasure.


If the women wants to lie about being a virgin then thats on her. Lying is a sin.

[Optimistic Mysanthrope]

There are no problems for women in Iran. Iran- against Imperialism, al qaeda, taliban

These guys disagree with you as well

And of course, Iran no links to terrorism what so ever, right?

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If the women wants to lie about being a virgin then thats on her. Lying is a sin.

And I suppose international terrorism is a virtue, is it?

[Sleepy]

What human rights are being violated?

And no Iran does not support terrorists like al qaeda or taliban. They are enemies.