Problems with the theory of evolution.

[Zen Badger]

Ok guys, let's make a pool: Is she a hit and run, or will she come back? And in case she comes back, will she whine about how mean atheists are or will she continue to troll? Place your bets, place your bets! The winner gets 1000 Internets!

I'll take that action.

100 internets that she is a one shit shooter.

[frankiej]

Oh god... ah... this... is... too... much... I might die.

You don't even understand the water cycle. I learnt that in school when I was about 8... probably younger.

[NoraBrimstone]

Well, Jamie. It's certainly not an "atheistic belief" that the Earth is billions of years old. Most theists know it to be he case, too.

As for it only being 6,000 years old... That's just stupid. Really really stupid. Do some travelling and you'll see buildings older than that, ffs.

Now go read a book, you retard.

[festive1]

Good English comp skills though. At least the post wasn't littered with misspellings and incorrect grammar. But an obvious Poe is no fun.

[little_monkey]

Atheist scientists believe that we evolved from stardust (even just saying it in a sentence sounds silly lol)

You need to add: it took 13.7 billion years for that to happen.

[Ryantology]

Unless voice recognition software has advanced a lot more than I remember, there's no way the grunts and clicks of an Alabama baptist could become a message board post.

[Nine]

It suddenly dawned on me that if that very rock was 4.6 billion years old like athiest scientists say it is, then rocks would have evolved into intelligent creatures also.

I got this far then thought that even if anyone is that daft I don't want to acknowledge their existence.

[Aractus]

, let's get down to busisness.

Hi. I'm new here so this will be my first post. I'm Jamie from Alabama. I'm a proud Baptist and I'd like to point out a few inconsistencies I found in the theory of evolution.

The first point I'd like to make is in relation to the age of the earth and how it ties in with "evolution". I'm a young earth creationist. I believe that God created the earth approximately 5,000-6,000 years ago, and there is a good reason for this belief. Atheist scientists will tell us that the earth is approximately 4.6 billion years old, but this is impossible. Please hear me out and let me explain before you scoff and abandon this thread.

Ok, firstly - Baptists like all other protestants, are closet Anglicans, and secondly the very non-atheist astrophysicist at my church will tell you that the Earth is 4.6 Billion years old. FYI he's one of the world's leading authorities on dark matter.

So apparently we are living beings that evolved from lifeless materials.

All the building blocks of life are built using "lifeless materials". The basic building block of life, not that I expect you to understand this, is carbon. Without carbon life is almost undoubtedly not possible, with it, life can be built.

It doesn't make much sense to me because last weekend I was sitting by a lake pondering God's marvelous creation when I picked up a rock and stared at it. It suddenly dawned on me that if that very rock was 4.6 billion years old like athiest scientists say it is, then rocks would have evolved into intelligent creatures also. If evolution really was true and we all evolved from lifeless materials over 4.6 billion years, then that rock should also be a mammal or an insect or something by now. But there it was, still a useless rock, just sitting there. No brain, no self-awareness. Nothing.

Also, I did some research on something else. Apparently the total amount of water on earth is "1.386x10^21 liters", whatever that means. I don't know what the X and the ^ is for, but I'll continue anyways. There are almost 7 billion people on earth, so let's assume that human beings drink two liters of water a day, which could be true for some people. Some people drink a lot of water. That would mean that every human being on this planet collectively drinks 12x10^9 liters of water a day (I'm pretty sure that's right, I had to ask some Asian guy I know to do the math for me. I kinda suck at math)

7^9 x 365 x 2? 5.11^12/year. or 1.4x10^10/day. According to your theory anyway, I can tell you I drink way more than 2L net water per day.

Now here's what I'm getting at... atheist scientists say that life evolved around 3 billion years ago, so this would mean that human beings alone (excluding animals) would have consumed 9.5 times the amount of water on this planet. This is obviously impossible, because if this were true our oceans would be completely drained by now. So how do we still have large amounts of unused water?

We don't have any "unused" water - and we don't drink from the ocean... but anyway you maths is completely wrong. Let's imagine humans have been here 100,000 years - much longer than most people think. The population of the Earth at the time of Christ was (est) 230 million. Before civilization, the population would have been much less still. However, 2 x 230x10^6 x 10^5 = 4.6 x 10^13. Shall I now explain how much less than "1.386x10^21" that number is?

One more quick thing. If there is no oxygen in space, then how does the sun keep burning? We all know that fire needs oxygen to keep burning.

You have GOT to be kidding?

[Rahul]

This is another point I'd like to make. In my senior year of science class my teacher (who I also suspect is an atheist) was explaining to us that humans developed large complex brains because "we integrated meat into our diets a long time ago".

Hi Jamie. Welcome to the forums!

Some people in this thread believe you are a Poe. I'm not really sure, nor do I care. But this question of yours is something that I've always taken a personal interest in. So I'm going to go into some detail about it.

Now simply saying we developed large, complex brains because we started eating meat is incorrect. Incorporating meat into our diet allowed us to develop large brains but did not cause us to develop large brains.

The more accurate answer is far more interesting.

Now as you have already pointed out there are other predatory animals out there. And, in fact, predatory animals such as large cats and dogs and whatnot are more intelligent than herbivores. They have to be. Eating plants doesn't involve a lot of intelligence. Hunting animals, however, does involve a bit of intelligence. So let's compare some of the other large carnivores in Africa where our species evolved.

Lions. Have you ever seen a lion in real life? You can't really grasp how huge these animals are from watching them on TV. They're massive. So let's compare the biological adaptations between humans and lions.

Lions are much, much larger with large powerful claws, large, sharp teeth and enormously powerful jaws, able to run at very fast speeds for brief bursts.

Humans? Much smaller, nothing but residual claws not good for much, small teeth with much less powerful jaws, able to jog for hours and hours but can't run very fast at all.

So how did humans make biological adaptation to become meat eaters?

Back roughly 7 million years ago Chimps and Humans share a common ape-like ancestor.

As the terrain in Africa began to change shrinking the jungles and opening up grass land some of those tribes of that ape-like creature moved out into the new environment of the grass lands and would eventually become us. Some of the other tribes of that ape-like creature would stick to the old environment and evolve into Chimps.

So let's discuss our story.

So now at first it looks like we're pretty much screwed. Large, powerful predators around like lions and cheetahs and whatnot that would frequently catch one of us and eat us like any other prey animal. We banded together, probably hooted and hollared a lot, threw feces and rocks to try and keep the predators away. We probably would find high rocky outcropping to sleep on top of or even still climb up in trees to avoid them.

But this entire time we're also trying to find food. So we are exploiting everything we can. Anything we can find that is edible we are going for it. Berries, fruits, tubers, and then... lo and behold, we'd find the occasional remains of a lion's meal, or some other predator. So we check it out. There's really not much left. Just a lot of bones, the larger ones that is. The skull, femurs and the like. What can we do with that? Well the lions would just leave it. Later on, as darkness descended, the Hyenas with their powerful jaws would show up and with their incredible powerful, bone crushing jaws, would break up those bones and eat out the brains and marrow.

So we would try to get to it before the Hyenas. We didn't have powerful jaws so we would first try to de-articulate the skeleton which was still stuck together with tendons, drag the parts back to a safe spot, and use rocks to break apart the bones.

After a while some of the more intelligent members of our troop would notice that if they used a rock with a sharp edge on it when were were trying to break through a joint to drag off a section of bone that it would cut through the tendon pretty easily. So everyone starts looking for rocks with sharp edges. But they're fairly scarce. Then one genius here or there starts to remember that when they were beating apart a femur or skull to get at the good stuff inside that their hammer stone broke. And it had sharp edges from that break.

Before long we start slamming rocks against other rocks to break them and get sharp edges. Realizing that we can now use these rocks to disarticulate a skeleton in record time and drag it back to our safe spots we really start paying attention to the predators and where they are eating gazelles and zebras or whatnot. We wait out until they've made their kills, eaten all the good stuff, and then move in quickly to grab the left over goods.

We also notice that some large cats will kill a gazelle, eat part of it, and drag the rest in a tree. So we'd go after that guy. If he was still up in that tree we'd scream at it and throw rocks and freak him out until we chased it off. Now we occasionally could get a body with a lot more meat on it.

We probably had sharp sticks we used as well. Even certain tribes of Chimps today use sharp sticks occasionally to stab at small animals in their burrows for the occasional treat. So with our rude, all wooden spears and sharp rocks we have a regular tool kit growing. Only we are using them in more and more ways. Probably using them to help us dig up tubers from the ground for food as well.

The more intelligent we became the more refined we could make these tools, and the more ways we could come up with how to use them. Also, the most intelligent guys in our tribes could make better tools and get more food. They would trade excess food to females for mating rights. Chimps do this as well. So the more intelligent members had more offspring.

With more meat we could afford to grow larger brains and make better tools. We became more dexterious to make better tools. Dexterity takes more intelligence too.

Eventually though, about 2 million years ago, our ancestors started controlling fire. This helped keep away predators at night, helped us to break down more food like vegetable matter and meat so we could digest it easier and derive more nutrients from it.

And so it went, until we became these highly intelligent primates with highly specialized artificial weapons instead of biological weapons like claws, fangs, and super powerful jaws.

Our biological weapons were our brains and manipulative hands and arms.

[genkaus]

Hi. I'm new here so this will be my first post. I'm Jamie from Alabama. I'm a proud Baptist

And here I thought that pride was a sin for you people.

Atheist scientists believe that we evolved from stardust (even just saying it in a sentence sounds silly lol)

Theist scientists believe that as well.

So apparently we are living beings that evolved from lifeless materials. It doesn't make much sense to me because last weekend I was sitting by a lake pondering God's marvelous creation when I picked up a rock and stared at it. It suddenly dawned on me that if that very rock was 4.6 billion years old like athiest scientists say it is, then rocks would have evolved into intelligent creatures also. If evolution really was true and we all evolved from lifeless materials over 4.6 billion years, then that rock should also be a mammal or an insect or something by now. But there it was, still a useless rock, just sitting there. No brain, no self-awareness. Nothing.

Just because some non-living matter could turn into living entities doesn't mean all non-living matter would. Abiogenesis occurred in specific areas under specific conditions. everywhere else - rocks remained rocks.

This is another point I'd like to make. In my senior year of science class my teacher (who I also suspect is an atheist) was explaining to us that humans developed large complex brains because "we integrated meat into our diets a long time ago".

Sounds silly to me. We started eating meat and the protein made us evolve a larger more complex brain, resulting in superior intelligence? Okay... well we aren't the only species that eats meat lol. Why didn't other animals evolve to be as intelligent as us? I can name dozens and dozens of animals that eat meat, but can you name how many lions you've met that attended university and became doctors? When you went to high school did you have a grizzly bear teacher? Have you ever had your taxes done by a dog accountant? Nope, not me anyways. A human did my taxes this year.

Same mistake. Just because eating meat is required for complex brain development doesn't mean that it automatically leads to it.

Also, I did some research on something else. Apparently the total amount of water on earth is "1.386x10^21 liters", whatever that means. I don't know what the X and the ^ is for, but I'll continue anyways. There are almost 7 billion people on earth, so let's assume that human beings drink two liters of water a day, which could be true for some people. Some people drink a lot of water. That would mean that every human being on this planet collectively drinks 12x10^9 liters of water a day (I'm pretty sure that's right, I had to ask some Asian guy I know to do the math for me. I kinda suck at math)

Now here's what I'm getting at... atheist scientists say that life evolved around 3 billion years ago, so this would mean that human beings alone (excluding animals) would have consumed 9.5 times the amount of water on this planet. This is obviously impossible, because if this were true our oceans would be completely drained by now. So how do we still have large amounts of unused water?

Because we also give back all that water we take in, in form of breath, sweat, piss and shit. Think about that the next time you take a drink - the water you are drinking right now was probably in some guy's piss a few thousand years ago.

One more quick thing. If there is no oxygen in space, then how does the sun keep burning? We all know that fire needs oxygen to keep burning.

Good thing then that the sun is not on fire.