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Why atheism is irrational
#31
RE: Why atheism is irrational
I've decided that his trollship shall get no more substantive responses from me until I get one from him. Sorry Vinnyboy but you've shown yourself to be in need of tough love. Who loves you?
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#32
RE: Why atheism is irrational
(September 24, 2013 at 11:14 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: A lot of us point to the supposed intelligence of atheists, but what I've come to realize is that most of us have become atheists at quite a young age. Too young, honestly, to have a full grasp of our logical faculties or the world around us. Age 13 or 14 is simply not when your mind is fully developed. This includes the vast majority of atheist intellectuals who become atheists at a young age and just engage in confirmation bias throughout their academic careers.

Does that mean an 8-year old is too young to stop believing in Santa Claus?

(September 24, 2013 at 11:14 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: About matters of the intellect, atheists are very superficially educated. They have a basic foundation down "EVOLUTION RULZ, GOD SUX HAHA I HAVE BIBEL VURSES THAT SUX LOL" but fundamental nuances are often glossed over or missed because their interest is not in knowing things, but in confirming what they want to be true.

I can't speak for anyone else but every time I read something from an apologetics website or hear an argument for the existence of a god or the efficacy of the bible or talk to a christian or whatever I stop and have a moment where I think, "Is this going to be the thing that finally convinces me?" I continue to try very hard to set aside preconceived notions and biases when I read things; the one thing I fully admit to not doing to setting aside all notions of rationality and standards of evidence which is probably why I remain unconvinced and, consequently, an atheist.

I also tend not to like debating christians on the bible precisely because I wasn't raised with it, I was never indoctrinated into a religion and I was never taught how to read the bible from a theological standpoint. I fully own up to the fact that I'm not qualified to tell Christians what their bible means, all I'm comfortable doing is telling them why I think it's total crap.

And finally, I don't think GOD SUX. I don't think he exists.

Quote:So of course, they would "know more" their entire existence depends on their hatred against people who believe in a God!

I don't hate people who believe in a god. I think they're wrong, but I don't hate them by any stretch of the imagination.

(September 25, 2013 at 1:23 am)whateverist Wrote: I've said it before: it doesn't take a genius to be an atheist and neither will it prevent you from being an idiot.

I heard an anecdote somewhat recently about a migrant worker who attended an atheist meetup or group or something that had just been set up in his area and he said, as part of his introduction, that he wasn't very smart and wondered why he didn't believe in a god because the people around him, whom he considered to be smarter than he was, all believed and he thought he was the only person alive who didn't believe in a god.

I think this was in relation to a story I heard about HAFree but it's been a few months since I heard the story so don't quote me on that.

I agree with whateverist. Being a genius is not a prerequisite for being an atheist. Being an intellectual is not a prerequisite for being an atheist. Being especially intelligent is not a prerequisite for being an atheist. All it takes to be an atheist is a lack of belief in any gods, no matter your IQ score, your ability to pass a chemistry test, whether you can write a Pulitzer prize winning novel or whether you can write at all.
Teenaged X-Files obsession + Bermuda Triangle episode + Self-led school research project = Atheist.
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#33
RE: Why atheism is irrational
(September 24, 2013 at 11:14 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: I had some time, so I came back to pay a visit to my friends over on this forum. Sup.

And I've been thinking about rationality lately. Let me just lay it on you like butter on toast.

Almost all atheism is irrational. Why?

A lot of us point to the supposed intelligence of atheists, but what I've come to realize is that most of us have become atheists at quite a young age. Too young, honestly, to have a full grasp of our logical faculties or the world around us. Age 13 or 14 is simply not when your mind is fully developed. This includes the vast majority of atheist intellectuals who become atheists at a young age and just engage in confirmation bias throughout their academic careers.

Atheists whine. A lot. If you spend time on internet forums, you notice 98% of their time is spent hating Christians and whining about Christianity. For a "rational", "skeptical" group of people, such lack of rationality is alarmingly hypocritical.

About matters of the intellect, atheists are very superficially educated. They have a basic foundation down "EVOLUTION RULZ, GOD SUX HAHA I HAVE BIBEL VURSES THAT SUX LOL" but fundamental nuances are often glossed over or missed because their interest is not in knowing things, but in confirming what they want to be true.

"Ah but Vinny Gabagool, atheists know more about the Bible, look at the stats!" You will say, no doubt pointing to some stats. "Nonsense!" I will reply. While most religions are entirely focused on knowing about their own religion, atheists, for the most part are anti-theists. So everything they need to know is anti-religious dogma. Biblical contradictions, the euthyphro dilemma, wise-ass sayings that are actually nonsensical- these are de facto atheist teachings. So of course, they would "know more" their entire existence depends on their hatred against people who believe in a God!

When I started off as a skeptic, I started with a sense of intimidation. I was scared of all the intellectuals. Now that I'm a little older, a little smarter, a little more educated....I feel sorry for them.

Strawman
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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#34
RE: Why atheism is irrational
(September 25, 2013 at 11:29 am)Rationalman Wrote: Strawman

That is a polite way to put it, I call it a senseless drivel.
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#35
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God SUX.
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#36
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(September 25, 2013 at 6:50 am)Stimbo Wrote: Oh, and you trying to arouse me again, Kaye?

It's working...

Always, love, always Wink
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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#37
RE: Why atheism is irrational
(September 24, 2013 at 11:16 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: In the famous words of apophenia, What a bunch of hooey.

I was thinking of words like BARF, VOMIT, PUKE. But "hooey" works too.
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#38
RE: Why atheism is irrational
(September 25, 2013 at 11:35 am)JesusHChrist Wrote: God SUX.

Well said.
No creator in the heavens above (I am the lightning)
Rest your weary mind
No demons in the furnace below (I am the frenzy)
I have realized I AM GOD
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#39
RE: Why atheism is irrational
When God swallows, get back to me.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#40
RE: Why atheism is irrational
(September 24, 2013 at 11:14 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: A lot of us point to the supposed intelligence of atheists, but what I've come to realize is that most of us have become atheists at quite a young age. Too young, honestly, to have a full grasp of our logical faculties or the world around us.

I became an atheist at age 30. I think that is old enough to have a good grasp of my logical faculties and the world around me.

If your claim were true, nobody would be an atheist after they matured. Yet there are plenty of older atheists.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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