Abiogenesis is impossible

[Crossless2.0]

"The study called inspective is that by which go beyond things seen and contemplate something of things divine and heavenly, beholding them with the mind alone, for they are beyond the range of bodily sight."

And the difference between this and imagination is -- what?

[Esquilax]

Science is limited to what we can see with our eyes or is physically there to be detected in whatever way. You're claiming that everything that exists necessarily has to fit around the limits of what we can perceive in that manner for no good reason. But why does everything that exists have to fit around our own physical limitations?

Okay look, lemme make this easy for you: you only have your senses and the determinations of human experience and science with which to experience the world. There is no additional thing; your entire suite of experiential references is limited to your senses, the senses of others, and science.

You are positing an entity that science cannot demonstrate, and that you cannot perceive with your senses. Therefore, you have no method by which you can detect this entity. Therefore, you have no rational reason to believe its existence. Additionally, if this being cannot be falsified, then it similarly cannot be a rational thing.

No, you can't use rational arguments to demonstrate its existence, because rationality fails when you feed into it invalid premises, and you are loaded for bear with confirmation bias. You cannot think a thing into existence.

You have no reason to believe in god, if you're intent on making it scientifically unfalsifiable!

[Sword of Christ]

And the difference between this and imagination is -- what?

Imagination would be like atheism imagining God doesn't exist only eternal material reality of infinite universes or whatever while what he is describing here is an understanding of the nature of reality only God can provide beyond the physical senses. That was a good deflection shot straight back at you there, and a punishing blow delivered.

[Bad Wolf]

Once again SoC, I don't think you understand what atheism is. What is this? Like the fifth time you have been told this. How about instead of strawmanning us, you actually listen to our corrections?

[pocaracas]

SoC, assume for a moment that there is no god.
Don't worry about how the universe came into being, for now...

Now, look at every believer you know... look at every religion you are aware of (even the dead ones).
Present me with a mechanism that can account for them. (don't forget, you're working under the assumption that there is no god whatsoever)

If such a mechanism is possible, and given that bronze-age man would have had to obtain something on which to base his early belief... and the lack of any such something nowadays... would it not seem plausible to you that such beliefs are all man-made?

[Cyberman]

Science is limited to what we can see with our eyes or is physically there to be detected in whatever way. You're claiming that everything that exists necessarily has to fit around the limits of what we can perceive in that manner for no good reason. But why does everything that exists have to fit around our own physical limitations?

Because anything that exists, even if defined to be conveniently undetectable, that has a physical and/or temporal effect on the Universe, however tiny, falls within the purview of science by definition.

[Cyberman]

Imagination would be like atheism imagining God doesn't exist only eternal material reality of infinite universes or whatever while what he is describing here is an understanding of the nature of reality only God can provide beyond the physical senses.

So imagination is like imagination... yep, you are definitely on the Magic Roundabout.

That was a good deflection shot straight back at you there, and a punishing blow delivered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ay3w2ijwwsref=0

Well, that or six years old anyway.

[Sword of Christ]

Once again SoC, I don't think you understand what atheism is. What is this? Like the fifth time you have been told this. How about instead of strawmanning us, you actually listen to our corrections?

Atheism involves the lack of belief or non-belief in God and by extension any associated religious doctrine to do with God or higher power by whatever name. Though naturally you have no good reason not to believe in God particularly given all the weight of the arguments and the evidence that bears down upon you, a crushing weight you can't hope to hold up. You must give yourself in to Christ!

I can't do it for you but I can give a pointer as to what the arguments are you could then put in the work yourself for a full conversion experience when realize how this stuff you were attempting to argue against was the truth all along. Some people may end up with Quran or whatever but that's fair enough each faith will have it's pitch and not everyone will be convinced the same way. Only a tiny minority of people are convinced by atheism proper and for good reason they're not.

[Jacob(smooth)]

Fuck me; seriously!?
Yeah, you go soc. If the power of your argument doesn't sway them the worship smiley at the end will surely clinch the deal!

Really, do you think that is good witness?

[Cyberman]

We must give ourselves in to Christ - or else what?