Abiogenesis is impossible

[popeyespappy]

The fact that you believe in fairy tales because they make you feel good isn't evidence the fairy tales are true.

[Angrboda]

3 is not true

Your opinion feel free to demonstrate how the alternative is more reasonable/likely to be true.

Esquilax has repeatedly offered to allow you to demonstrate this in a formal debate, but you're so chicken shit you haven't even given him the courtesy of a yes or no reply. How does it feel to be so afraid of the bankruptcy of one's beliefs that you are paralyzed and unable to answer such a challenge in the affirmative or negative?

I'm betting you know you'd lose such a debate, so your failure to answer his challenge is just a way of saving face.

[pocaracas]

You're hopeless, but I'm going to waste a few minutes to type this... just in case...

There is 100,000 years worth of evidence from the universality human spiritual experience,

That's 100k years of humans with a lot of wishful thinking coupled with fear of the permanence of death and inability to explain the world around them.

at least 2500 years worth of philosophical evidence,

That's people trying to make sense of what they've been led to believe for the past 97,500 years!
The rise of apologetics.

2000 years of theological evidence,

no... not 2000 years.... only a few letters written roughly 2000 years ago with some stories and explanations of said stories...

the historical evidence of the Bible

Which has as much value as the historical evidence of the Harry potter books, the Spider-man comics and the "based on a true story" feeling of Jurassic Park.

and the, the evidence of peoples life changing encounters with the risen Christ,

Whose lives changed with such an encounter again?
Oh the people in the story?... yeah... requires that I believe in the story for it to count as evidence, doesn't it?

historical evidence of the impact and change in society Christs teachings have had,

Oh, those teachings about turning the other cheek which led to the inquisition?
Or the ones that were plagiarized off Confucius and other far older thinkers?

the accounts of St Paul's personal experience of Christ/God,

The self-authored story about how he had an epileptic attack, that got attributed to some spiritual thing which he had been led to believe exists during the previous 97,500 years?

evidence of death of Jesus

Stories exist of followers of the christ... the only ones about the man himself are in the bible, carrying a strange bias...

and the empty tomb which even secular historians accept,

Again, one must believe in the story for it to count as evidence...

evidence from immense complexity and fine tuning and precise order of the cosmos and the entirety of the universe itself which suggests purpose design from a rational creative power,

Haven't you been told that there's no such thing as fine tuning?
The order of the Universe... what order? It's a mess.
It's all scattered.... it's huge... it's made up of tiny tiny things.

scientific evidence that demonstrates that the universe was created via an instant of creation as the Bible and many other faiths describe,

Boy, you have your sciences mixed up.
Science... the real one... claims there was a big bang, a moment when expansion started. It makes no claim about what was before, because it cannot measure anything in there. The official stance is "we don't know", so we don't go out and make up stories about it.
We may conjecture, we may hypothesize, but all those hypothesis have the same value, which is zilch!
You can clump your own favorite god hypothesis there, too... value = zero.

evidence from near death

Not evidence. Near death is not death.
Brain is still functioning. most people who go through near death does not experience anything. Only a few think they've experienced something.
Something happened alright, in their brains!

and other mystical experiences too numerous to mention

Mystical == in their brains!
The brain is an awesome organ, very powerful, but also very fragile...
IT has a number of mechanisms to check its functionality, but sometimes, they fail... and if they fail and the person is unaware of such failure, mystical things can happen!!
Ouija boards are cool, though!

and evidence of numerous scientifically baffling events that run throughout the entire course and expanse of human history!

Baffling is not the same as god-did-it.
baffling is: need more data!!

How much more evidence do you want?

Oh... a god-father-figure appearing physically in front of everyone on the planet to impart some of its infinite wisdom and knowledge... that would work well.
And not just once... every so often, to give everyone a chance to meet the guy.
But now is too late for the guy to start appearing... it should have been doing that since the very start...


This is just an example... there are more where that came from.... all of them are remarkably absent from the observed reality.

Throw in such facts as the inability to have freewill

Depends on what you call "will".

or any kind of objective morality

Define "objective morality" for us heathens, why don't you?

My definition puts the burden of objectivity on the social group (this group can be a whole country, or only a village) ... and subjectivity on the individual.
According to such a definition, there is objective morality, without any outside entity imparting on us such morality.





No man, you present no evidence, just your own wishful thinking, re-re-re-reparsed from over 100,000 years ago.

Where you see some mega being, I see people.
I see people's minds working in wonderful resourceful ways attempting to make sense of their own ignorance.... I see that ignorance shrinking... I see people still clinging to that ignorance... for what?.. comfort... comfort about the meaninglessness of their lives, comfort about the stupidity of their certain deaths...
I agree that it is a comforting notion and many people are better off with that notion.
But some people, mostly atheists, are aware that this comfort is just some psychological feature at play in the human brain.
These people are unable to feel that comfort and, for the most part, feel no need for it. They realize that it is not reality and carry on with their lives just fine armed with that information.
Man-made myth is just that: man-made.

[Sword of Christ]

The fact that you believe in fairy tales because they make you feel good isn't evidence the fairy tales are true.

What evidence do you have? The universe exists for no reason without an explanation at all because it does? Therefore any evidence or philosophical argument that would support God is automatically null and void? You literally have belief based on absolutely nothing at all that explains nothing at all. Does this feel like an accomplishment?

[Angrboda]

evidence from near death

Not evidence. Near death is not death.
Brain is still functioning. most people who go through near death does not experience anything. Only a few think they've experienced something.
Something happened alright, in their brains!

Not to mention that over a third of "near death" experiences don't occur anywhere near death.

The International Association for Near-Death Studies sent out a questionnaire in 1992 inquiring about those who considered themselves to be near-death experiencers. How close had they been to physical death when their episode occurred? ... 37 percent had theirs in a setting unrelated to anything that could be construed as life threatening. ... The 37 percenters claimed to have experiences every bit as real, involved, and life-changing as those that happened to people during death or close-brush-with-death crises; and their reports duplicate or parallel the same spread of scenario types and a pattern of psychological and physiological aftereffects.

— P.M.H. Atwater, The Big Book of Near-Death Experiences

[Bad Wolf]

Aaaaaaand someone still doesn't understand the burden of proof

[shep]

You can't prove God exists if he exists.

But do you not see that you are still asserting that he exists? (Assertion: 1, a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief)

[Sword of Christ]

Not to mention that over a third of "near death" experiences don't occur anywhere near death.

You can have altered mystical states of consciousness and experiences beyond the physical body while a person is still alive but I'm not sure why that would prove naturalist materialism to be true. If anything it would suggest consciousness isn't a byproduct of the brain. What evidence is there that consciousness is a byproduct of physical matter? Why can't the universe as a whole be the product of consciousness instead?

Aaaaaaand someone still doesn't understand the burden of proof

Atheists claim this but you can't prove God exists.

But do you not see that you are still asserting that he exists? (Assertion: 1, a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief)

You're asserting God doesn't exist or there is no good reason to believe that he does exist and you say this without knowledge or proof of the materialist alternative that would exist in place of God if there is no God. So that's a counter belief and the equivalent of a faith in God or a religion in it's own right.

[Bad Wolf]

Atheists claim this but you can't prove God exists.

You keep talking like this and you keep embarrassing yourself further.
And you still don't understand the burden of proof. Atheists not being able to prove god exists, isn't relevant to anything.

[Sword of Christ]

You keep talking like this and you keep embarrassing yourself further.
And you still don't understand the burden of proof. Atheists not being able to prove god exists, isn't relevant to anything.

So theists have to prove God with science (which you can't do) and atheists don't have to prove philosophical reductionist materialism with science (you can't do this either) because what you believe is automatically true and therefore doesn't need to be proved because you say it is? That's a great tactic.

Materialism is actually fairly easy to prove wrong anyway, for instance you have a brain with 400,094,800 cells in it, which one of these cells does your consciousness reside in exactly? How many cells do you need to put to together to create your consciousness? Is it an exact number? Your body doesn't contain one cell in it that was present when you were born or from when you were 5 years old or 10 years old or whatever. Are you then some kind of clone who has replaced the person who used to exist who's memories you now have? There's the issue of freewill and so on as well which a materialist system won't allow for.