Abiogenesis is impossible

[Cyberman]

since there is little or no physical evidence for global flood, there would be even less for a localized flood (but still comparatively enormous to other alluvial floods. although massive it only lasted a mere year. a major flood of such a brief duration typically doesn't leave substantial deposits to be positively identified approx. 40 th's. years ago.

Then what is the justification for believing it to be a real, physical event?

Actually, I just want to clarify: I actually 'misspoke' when I mentioned physical evidence. What I should have said is can you provide demonstrable evidence; which can of course be physical if there is any.

But from a geographically perspective other indicators for noah's flood's timing, location and extent go exist. evidence of a thriving civilization developed in the middle east gulf area. from a geographical perspective the region makes sense as the region were the flood occurred --- high mountains surround it, huge aquifers reside under it. ice covered north America, Europe, etc making the global sea lower leaving much of the Persian gulf and red sea dry.
there are some scientific provocative data that makes the case using genetic data that traces the migration pattern around the world, the beginning of that migration has a nexus in that region at that time.

Dare one ask for a citation or two? See, this is what I meant about demonstrable evidence - simply stating it isn't good enough, unless others can assess it independently.

[snowtracks]

since there is little or no physical evidence for global flood, there would be even less for a localized flood (but still comparatively enormous to other alluvial floods. although massive it only lasted a mere year. a major flood of such a brief duration typically doesn't leave substantial deposits to be positively identified approx. 40 th's. years ago.

Then what is the justification for believing it to be a real, physical event?

Actually, I just want to clarify: I actually 'misspoke' when I mentioned physical evidence. What I should have said is can you provide demonstrable evidence; which can of course be physical if there is any.

But from a geographically perspective other indicators for noah's flood's timing, location and extent go exist. evidence of a thriving civilization developed in the middle east gulf area. from a geographical perspective the region makes sense as the region were the flood occurred --- high mountains surround it, huge aquifers reside under it. ice covered north America, Europe, etc making the global sea lower leaving much of the Persian gulf and red sea dry.
there are some scientific provocative data that makes the case using genetic data that traces the migration pattern around the world, the beginning of that migration has a nexus in that region at that time.

Dare one ask for a citation or two? See, this is what I meant about demonstrable evidence - simply stating it isn't good enough, unless others can assess it independently.

references:
communities - "Veiled beneath the Persian Gulf, a once-fertile landmass may have supported some of the earliest humans outside Africa some 75,000 to 100,000 years ago..."

flood water sources - "And it would have been an ideal refuge from the harsh deserts surrounding it, with fresh water supplied by the Tigris, Euphrates, Karun and Wadi Baton Rivers, as well as by upwelling springs, Rose said. And during the last ice age when conditions were at their driest, this basin would've been at its largest".
http://www.livescience.com/10340-lost-ci...-gulf.html
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aquifers - "In addition to surface runoff, freshwater within the purported oasis was also supplied by upwelling springs, which are subterranean rivers linked to the Rub’ AlKhali and Zagros aquifer systems. Even today, these springs deliver freshwater to the Gulf through fissures in the porous bedrock of the basin."
http://www.academia.edu/386944/New_Light...Gulf_Oasis
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genesis 2 mentions “springs of the great deep”, and 4 rivers converging. all four rivers flow into different parts of the persian gulf meeting together in what rose identifies as the gulf oasis. this appears to be the location of the localized noah's flood; and where the garden of eden is now submerged in the gulf.
so the sources of the water could be torrential rain, the deep springs, indian ocean rushing thru the strait, sudden snow melt of surrounding mts.

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Um ??????????????????????? Did you suddenly lose the ability to capitalize, punctuate and use grammar?

since there is little or no physical evidence for global flood, there would be even less for a localized flood (but still comparatively enormous to other alluvial floods. although massive it only lasted a mere year. a major flood of such a brief duration typically doesn't leave substantial deposits to be positively identified approx. 40 th's. years ago.
But from a geographically perspective other indicators for noah's flood's timing, location and extent go exist. evidence of a thriving civilization developed in the middle east gulf area. from a geographical perspective the region makes sense as the region were the flood occurred --- high mountains surround it, huge aquifers reside under it. ice covered north America, Europe, etc making the global sea lower leaving much of the Persian gulf and red sea dry.
there are some scientific provocative data that makes the case using genetic data that traces the migration pattern around the world, the beginning of that migration has a nexus in that region at that time.

Sorry, I've recently been accused of being overly polite, but WTF? I can't even figure out what you mean. What you have here is a bad case of word salad. But from what little I can glean from the incoherence I can say:

1) There is no evidence that life spread out from the Middle East, provocative or otherwise.

2) There is evidence that human life spread out of Africa and not the Middle East.

Everything else is incoherent. Come back sober and try again.

gee, didn't know we were writing the constitution, or the magna carta. you probably got a 'E' in k5 by shading perfectly within the lines, and today even use a spell checker.

[snowtracks]

stein proved God, and rd agreed.

Bullfuckingshit.

poor guy, guess he thought I was serious.

[Cato]

since there is little or no physical evidence for global flood, there would be even less for a localized flood (but still comparatively enormous to other alluvial floods. although massive it only lasted a mere year. a major flood of such a brief duration typically doesn't leave substantial deposits to be positively identified approx. 40 th's. years ago.
But from a geographically perspective other indicators for noah's flood's timing, location and extent go exist. evidence of a thriving civilization developed in the middle east gulf area. from a geographical perspective the region makes sense as the region were the flood occurred --- high mountains surround it, huge aquifers reside under it. ice covered north America, Europe, etc making the global sea lower leaving much of the Persian gulf and red sea dry.
there are some scientific provocative data that makes the case using genetic data that traces the migration pattern around the world, the beginning of that migration has a nexus in that region at that time.

I read this. I wish I hadn't, but I did. I suppose there will be a cry of 'persecution' if the words 'dumb cunt' involuntarily spill over my bottom lip.

[The Grand Nudger]

this appears to be the location of the localized noah's flood; and where the garden of eden is now submerged in the gulf.

Right, eden as atlantis.

so the sources of the water could be torrential rain, the deep springs, indian ocean rushing thru the strait, sudden snow melt of surrounding mts.

None of which are capable of producing the deluge, not even all at once. Let alone without leaving a trace. I think that you're seriously underestimating the requirements.

[snowtracks]

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this appears to be the location of the localized noah's flood; and where the garden of eden is now submerged in the gulf.

Right, eden as atlantis.

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so the sources of the water could be torrential rain, the deep springs, indian ocean rushing thru the strait, sudden snow melt of surrounding mts.

None of which are capable of producing the deluge, not even all at once. Let alone without leaving a trace. I think that you're seriously underestimating the requirements.

low-lying plain of the mesopotamian region & the Persian gulf wouldn't require more than 200 or 300 ft water depth for noah not to be able to see hills or mtns due to the earth's curvature. when noah did see land, he released the dove which returned with an olive tree leaf. this was done in the context of "the water still on the face of the whole earth" (perspective of ancient people).

[downbeatplumb]

low-lying plain of the mesopotamian region & the Persian gulf wouldn't require more than 200 or 300 ft water depth for noah not to be able to see hills or mtns due to the earth's curvature. when noah did see land, he released the dove which returned with an olive tree leaf. this was done in the context of "the water still on the face of the whole earth" (perspective of ancient people).

200 foot mountains? these are hills aren't they.

The UN Environmental Programme's definition of "mountainous environment" includes any of the following:[11]

Elevation of at least 2,500 m (8,200 ft);
Elevation of at least 1,500 m (4,900 ft), with a slope greater than 2 degrees;
Elevation of at least 1,000 m (3,300 ft), with a slope greater than 5 degrees;
Elevation of at least 300 m (980 ft), with a 300 m (980 ft) elevation range within 7 km (4.3 mi).
Using these definitions, mountains cover 33% of Eurasia, 19% of South America, 24% of North America, and 14% of Africa.[12] As a whole, 24% of the Earth's land mass is mountainous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain

You are trying to rationalise the irrational.

Time to let Noah go into the myth pile and move on.

Except if you do that it throws the rest into doubt doesn't it! remove one card and the whole house falls down.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

They still ignore that the fairy tale states that Assyria, Ethiopia, Persia, and Arabia existed at the same time naked Adam & Eve were running around in the garden.

[Whateverist]

They still ignore that the fairy tale states that Assyria, Ethiopia, Persia, and Arabia existed at the same time naked Adam & Eve were running around in the garden.

That makes it sound like there were already people running around in the world. Maybe God just took a couple of strays into his garden and called them his people?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

The Adam & Eve story is basically intended to be a history of Jesus' ancestors and the transition from the mundane to the heavenly.

1 Corinthians 15:45 = https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...V;MSG;NKJV