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RE: The war on Christmas
November 14, 2013 at 9:48 am
(November 14, 2013 at 9:03 am)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: You do realise that santa claus is saint nicholas, right? It's the same name in a different language Well, that is true, however the guy we're talking about had no resemblence to the type of Santa that is being paraded around the earth with his reindeers and gift giving antics.
Quote:Considering ‘Christmas’ originated as a Pagan ‘holiday’ celebrating the seasonal change, etc…even atheists and agnostics can ‘celebrate’ this merry day of eating, drinking, gift giving and utter mayhem! (I added in ‘utter mayhem.’ Do that at your own risk.) Big Grin
Well, its a cultural thing, first. So its okay for those who profess to the culture that holds Christmas in high regard to celebrate the holiday.
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RE: The war on Christmas
November 14, 2013 at 10:14 am
(November 13, 2013 at 8:14 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Any atheist that celebrates Christmas is a hypocrite. Those that object to Nativity scenes on the lawn of a public school are losers that need to get a life.
So where does that leave us? If we celebrate Christmas, we're hypocrites. If we object to Christmas, we're losers.
Fuck off, douchebag. I already said that I celebrate the non-religious aspects of Christmas. If you put up a Christmas tree in your house and exchange gifts, then you're celebrating the non-Christian aspects of the holiday so that makes you a hypocrite as well.
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RE: The war on Christmas
November 14, 2013 at 10:14 am
(November 14, 2013 at 9:31 am)Zazzy Wrote: Also, other than yapping on 24-hour news crap, where ARE the atheists who get offended by "Merry Christmas"? They're obviously not here, and since everybody has expressed how lame it is to get your panties in a bunch about it, I can only conclude that because of a few idiotic talking heads on TV, Christians think atheists hate Christmas and are offended by it. It appears to be a misunderstanding.
It's a right wing propaganda talking point, you know the kind: innocuous enough that it doesn't make the viewers too scared, simple so they don't hurt their thinker boxes, alienating toward an easy Other that doesn't have the same access to media to counter, and it's like a dog whistle because it's about christianity. The other added bonus is that, since it's technically a seasonal story, they can dust it off for another go around next year, confident that the limited memory of the standard Fox viewer has completely run over that!
We just happen to get smeared because good ratings are worth more that journalistic integrity, to a lot of right wing news pundits.
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RE: The war on Christmas
November 14, 2013 at 10:23 am
(November 13, 2013 at 9:57 pm)Polaris Wrote: Well those atheists who are against Christmas have an ally in that retarded view, Evangelical Christians.
Which evangelical Christians are against Christmas? I have seen fundamentalists who were against things like Santa and the commercialism of Christmas, but I've never seen one (except for Jehovah's Witnesses) who were against celebrating Christmas.
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RE: The war on Christmas
November 14, 2013 at 10:30 am
(November 14, 2013 at 9:31 am)Zazzy Wrote: ***Edit- And what's a "red letter Christian"? it has been answered!
(November 13, 2013 at 10:52 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: (November 13, 2013 at 10:45 am)pocaracas Wrote: Welcome, Jacob.
Can't wait to discover what a "red letter christian" is!
Ah, yeah. You can look it up on Google. Short version, I think Jesus talked a lot of sense, but I have serious misgivings about the old Testament much of which appears to make no frickin sense whatsoever and Pauline writings, which kinda do, but only in places.
Sorry. It's a roundabout way of saying I'm a rubbish Christian.
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RE: The war on Christmas
November 14, 2013 at 11:22 am
"Red Letter Christian" comes from the fact that some old bibles used to print Jesus' words in red letters. So therefore a red-letter Christian is someone who believes in and follows what Jesus said, not all the other Paulian crap which was added to the bible later.
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RE: The war on Christmas
November 14, 2013 at 12:08 pm
(November 14, 2013 at 11:22 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote: "Red Letter Christian" comes from the fact that some old bibles used to print Jesus' words in red letters. So therefore a red-letter Christian is someone who believes in and follows what Jesus said, not all the other Paulian crap which was added to the bible later. Yes. This. Broadly.
I tend to say "God bless you" to people a lot. Don't really know why. Just cos. If it irritated anyone I'd suggest they write down the reasons on a piece of paper, roll it into a little tube and poke it up their bottoms. If it has, nobody has ever told me.
Personally I'm happy for the school to put up a nativity and do the play. I'm also happy for them to do a display for divali, Halloween, easter and Hanukkah if they feel like it. Can't have just the one but I think it would be a shame not to have any!
And I know quite a few evangelical Christians who have a real problem with Christmas.
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RE: The war on Christmas
November 14, 2013 at 12:13 pm
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(November 13, 2013 at 10:48 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: First thread. Let me know if it's on the wrong forum.
So I've read about Sarah Palin's book, about the war on Christmas. Not read the book itself because I'm really, really fed up of first world Christians whining about being persecuted and I suspect it would make me cross.
I have a question for you atheist folks.
If I, being a Christian, wished you a happy Christmas, would you be OK with that? Are there any circumstances you would find it offensive?
Under no circumstances would I find that offensive, and I'd be annoyed by anyone who did find that offensive.
Also I loved being told bless you when I sneeze. Especially if it's an attractive female who sort of half sings it while saying it.
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RE: The war on Christmas
November 14, 2013 at 12:16 pm
(November 13, 2013 at 8:07 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (November 13, 2013 at 6:28 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: How can any of you not know that? Is it not in this atheist agenda I keep reading about? (I presume a copy gets fed ex' D to you or something)
Apparently, I must have missed that memo.
I did get the new addition of the Baby BBQ Cookbook at the beginning of summer, so HQ has the correct address.
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RE: The war on Christmas
November 14, 2013 at 12:33 pm
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(November 13, 2013 at 9:17 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: i don't mind if people wish me happy whatever.
But! if you're trying to get on someone's good side, wish them the holiday you know they celebrate but you don't. For example, one of our profs wished us happy chinese new year in chinese (apparently he was taking classes) once and it made all the chinese in the class happy, me included. I would think someone is very considerate if they were to do that. But I even celebrate the muslim new year when invited, and also diwali. So I really don't care much for the religious aspect of holidays.
This. I wish my Muslim friends a 'Happy Eid!' and 'Happy Ramadan!'. Jewish friends get 'Happy Hannukah!'. Pagan friends get 'Happy Solstice!' It's just considerate to show you're willing to put a microsecond's more thought into your greeting.
(November 14, 2013 at 12:08 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Personally I'm happy for the school to put up a nativity and do the play. I'm also happy for them to do a display for divali, Halloween, easter and Hanukkah if they feel like it. Can't have just the one but I think it would be a shame not to have any!
If the school is that inclusive, it's not a problem, legally speaking.
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