Ok I admit it

[Bob Kelso]

Oh for the love of fuck, make it go away.

[JesusLover1]

Any claims for the Muslim God is also a claim for the Christian and Jewish God.

[Bob Kelso]

Any claims for the Muslim God is also a claim for the Christian and Jewish God.

Oh darn, whatever are we atheists going to do about god-claims?

[KichigaiNeko]

Fuck off Jesu lover you are just a troll and a bad one at that.

[Jacob(smooth)]

From a scientific and logical realm, Christianity seems to make no sense.
However what atheists neglect is the spiritual realm. There is so much visible power in the relationship believers have with God. It cannot be explained through reason, but only through a personal relationship with Jesus. Study the word without skepticism, ask Jesus to guide you, meditate on Gods's goodness, and ask about spiritual experience from those who have experienced it themselves.

I think perhaps you are confusing cynicism with skepticism.

A skeptic requires evidence to believe. A cynic will not believe even with evidence.

The bible says
"20 Do not scoff at prophecies, 21 but test everything that is said. "

That's an exhortation to skepticism! If you believe EVERY charismatic person who happens by you can get led a merry dance and might well end up following people of doctrines which are at best misled and at worst sinister and self serving.

When Paul tells you to test everything, it's good advice.

I've had spiritual experiences. But I don't know what a psychotic episode feels like. So even from first hand I am willing to entertain the possibility that my experiences were nothing more than a combination of compliance and "hysteria" (although that doesn't really cover it).

Faith does not have to be blind.

[pocaracas]

Ok I admit it

Here I thought you were admitting that you're a troll...
Such a disappointment

[JesusLover1]

I don't get it. I use many arguments that seemed so profound when my parents used them on me. What am I doing wrong? Guys just think. Look how vast and detailed our universe is. Look at the beauty, look at the wonder. Listen to the roar of the thunder, gaze at the majesty of the mountain ranges. How could it not have some creator, I understand maybe not the Christian God, but surely someone played a hand in it? If the universe just happened randomly, it's appearence would be spuratic, not rhyme or reason for anything. But despite our universe's flaws, it's clearly something awe-inspiring for the human mind to comprehend.

[Jacob(smooth)]

For one thing, you're flitting from one argument to another.

But mainly, these arguments are still fresh for you. These filthy heathen scum (no offense) have heard them before ad nauseum.

It's like a magic trick. If I saw ElleBelle in half then stick her back together (ta daaa) , what would you assume?

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Ok I admit it

Here I thought you were admitting that you're a troll...
Such a disappointment

I'm enjoying him.

It's a challenge to try to format a concept in an appropriate way to communicate it.

[pocaracas]

I don't get it. I use many arguments that seemed so profound when my parents used them on me. What am I doing wrong? Guys just think. Look how vast and detailed our universe is. Look at the beauty, look at the wonder. Listen to the roar of the thunder, gaze at the majesty of the mountain ranges. How could it not have some creator, I understand maybe not the Christian God, but surely someone played a hand in it? If the universe just happened randomly, it's appearence would be spuratic, not rhyme or reason for anything. But despite our universe's flaws, it's clearly something awe-inspiring for the human mind to comprehend.

You ARE indoctrinated! What your parents say make sense within the context of acceptance of the existence of the deity.
If you realize that no deity is required, then all those arguments are moot.

Funny you should say that the Universe would be "sporadic" if there was no god.... tell me, how far away is the nearest star, not counting the sun?
And the one after that?
How beautiful is the space in between? How inviting is it?

Also, if there is actually a super mental force that's responsible for the Universe's existence and appearance, it hasn't made itself known to mankind on this little tiny speck of debris on a corner of a standard galaxy.
If it does wish me to acknowledge that it exists, then it should make itself known, by no unclear means. Clearly, that hasn't happened, so I guess it doesn't want to be known... or it doesn't exist. Both are of equal consequence to my life on this planet.

[JesusLover1]

I don't get it. I use many arguments that seemed so profound when my parents used them on me. What am I doing wrong? Guys just think. Look how vast and detailed our universe is. Look at the beauty, look at the wonder. Listen to the roar of the thunder, gaze at the majesty of the mountain ranges. How could it not have some creator, I understand maybe not the Christian God, but surely someone played a hand in it? If the universe just happened randomly, it's appearence would be spuratic, not rhyme or reason for anything. But despite our universe's flaws, it's clearly something awe-inspiring for the human mind to comprehend.

You ARE indoctrinated! What your parents say make sense within the context of acceptance of the existence of the deity.
If you realize that no deity is required, then all those arguments are moot.

Funny you should say that the Universe would be "sporadic" if there was no god.... tell me, how far away is the nearest star, not counting the sun?
And the one after that?
How beautiful is the space in between? How inviting is it?

Also, if there is actually a super mental force that's responsible for the Universe's existence and appearance, it hasn't made itself known to mankind on this little tiny speck of debris on a corner of a standard galaxy.
If it does wish me to acknowledge that it exists, then it should make itself known, by no unclear means. Clearly, that hasn't happened, so I guess it doesn't want to be known... or it doesn't exist. Both are of equal consequence to my life on this planet.

It gave you the Bible and wants you to have faith in it's existance. I don't know why, but who am I to question God's motives?