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RE: Debate with a Christian
March 8, 2014 at 7:30 pm
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RE: Debate with a Christian
March 8, 2014 at 7:42 pm
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2014 at 7:52 pm by discipulus.)
At this point I am going to endeavor to go back to see who I said I would debate in the event that Deidre was unable to. Please bear with me.
I previously proposed a debate topic of: "Has God raised Jesus from the dead?"
pocaracas responded by saying and I quote:
"Doubtful, since the account we have is fictional."
If pocaracas would like to debate the topic: "Are the New Testament writings fiction?" I would be glad to do so.
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RE: Debate with a Christian
March 8, 2014 at 7:53 pm
I would like to see the debate be with Pickup...
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RE: Debate with a Christian
March 8, 2014 at 8:04 pm
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2014 at 8:06 pm by Mudhammam.)
(March 8, 2014 at 7:53 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: I would like to see the debate be with Pickup...
There's really no debate to be had, at least not one that I can see would be very worthwhile. He believes we can not only determine the probability that a genuine miracle occurred based a few accounts (written by Christian missionaries no less) but more over, that we can interpret these experiences merely on the opinions of the first-century non-skeptical illiterates who had them. Why not just debate if Big foot exists instead?
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RE: Debate with a Christian
March 8, 2014 at 8:08 pm
(March 8, 2014 at 8:04 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: There's really no debate to be had, at least not one that I can see would be very worthwhile. He believes we can not only determine the probability that an event occurred based a few accounts (written by Christian missionaries no less) but more over, that we can interpret these experiences merely on the opinions of the first-century non-skeptical illiterates who had them. Why not just debate if Big foot exists instead?
If pocaracas refrains, we can debate several things.
"Were the gospel writers Christian missionaries?"
"Were the gospel writers non-skeptical illiterates?"
There is much we can debate. I will wait to see if pocaracas would like to debate.
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RE: Debate with a Christian
March 8, 2014 at 8:16 pm
(March 8, 2014 at 8:08 pm)discipulus Wrote: (March 8, 2014 at 8:04 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: There's really no debate to be had, at least not one that I can see would be very worthwhile. He believes we can not only determine the probability that an event occurred based a few accounts (written by Christian missionaries no less) but more over, that we can interpret these experiences merely on the opinions of the first-century non-skeptical illiterates who had them. Why not just debate if Big foot exists instead?
If pocaracas refrains, we can debate several things.
"Were the gospel writers Christian missionaries?"
"Were the gospel writers non-skeptical illiterates?"
There is much we can debate. I will wait to see if pocaracas would like to debate.
Before we go further, I think you should do more research on what it is you're arguing for. I say this because most of your arguments have been dealt with before and offer nothing interesting in which I would find it worthwhile continuing forward. A good place to start is here: http://infidels.org/library/modern/richa.../luck.html
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RE: Debate with a Christian
March 8, 2014 at 8:24 pm
What? refrains from what?
I leave you to debate those things about those people all you want.
I grow weary of all this banter with little substance.... and much conjecture about what is not recorded.
And yet, I wait...
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RE: Debate with a Christian
March 8, 2014 at 8:40 pm
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(March 8, 2014 at 8:16 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: (March 8, 2014 at 8:08 pm)discipulus Wrote: If pocaracas refrains, we can debate several things.
"Were the gospel writers Christian missionaries?"
"Were the gospel writers non-skeptical illiterates?"
There is much we can debate. I will wait to see if pocaracas would like to debate.
Before we go further, I think you should do more research on what it is you're arguing for. I say this because most of your arguments have been dealt with before and offer nothing interesting in which I would find it worthwhile continuing forward. A good place to start is here: http://infidels.org/library/modern/richa.../luck.html
So you do not want to debate with me?
I see....
Well, maybe one day you will. The invitation is always open. 
(March 8, 2014 at 8:24 pm)pocaracas Wrote: What? refrains from what?
I leave you to debate those things about those people all you want.
I grow weary of all this banter with little substance.... and much conjecture about what is not recorded.
And yet, I wait...
And you too will not debate me....
I am observing a pattern here.....
First one, then two, now three....
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RE: Debate with a Christian
March 8, 2014 at 8:46 pm
It's pretty pointless to debate with someone who does not bother with rational, logical arguments backed by evidence.
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RE: Debate with a Christian
March 8, 2014 at 8:57 pm
(March 8, 2014 at 8:40 pm)discipulus Wrote: (March 8, 2014 at 8:24 pm)pocaracas Wrote: What? refrains from what?
I leave you to debate those things about those people all you want.
I grow weary of all this banter with little substance.... and much conjecture about what is not recorded.
And yet, I wait...
And you too will not debate me....
I am observing a pattern here.....
First one, then two, now three....
Well... you dismissed my debate idea, earlier on...
And then claimed you are in possession of some information about ancient times which you still haven't disclosed on a thread for all to read and try to poke holes on...
Also, I'm waiting for you to understand the argument I was making a 2 or 3 pages back...
So... why should I debate you?
And what about?
I'm not versed in ancient literature.... so that would be a useless venue...
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