Why do Christians trust YHWH?

[Lek]

Evidently you feel that a loving God would create us all to be puppets, make us do whatever he wants and give us everything to make us happy. That doesn't sound like something most of you would approve of since we all want to have control over our own lives. We want to achieve and accomplish based on our own efforts. We control our own destinies. We can do whatever we want. God has endowed us with the ability to learn and achieve and the freedom to do as we please. Having a free will includes taking the consequences for our choices. If we murder, then we can receive the death sentence in return. It seems that all the victims were deserving of punishment because they intentionally broke God's law. If any were not guilty (this includes babies and children), they went on to a life that is immeasurably better than the one they had. This was attained by God sacrificing his own son on our behalf. We all die some way. Would you rather be run through with a sword, have your head smashed against the wall or suffer for years in constant pain from cancer or whatever? Yes, I think a loving God does have the right to punish. The real reward or punsihment is how we ultimately end up.

[Chad32]

A loving god would not punish a murderer the same as he would punish a thief, though, and certainly not forever. Depending on what you think hell is, certain versions can violate what most people see as love, mercy, or justice. If you believe in hell at all, which mainstream christians do.

[professor]

Cin, I will answer you-
Before the Flood man's GENETICS were corrupted and only Noah was untouched by it.
God was cutting short things from total evil. Just as a doctor amputates a limb that has gone gangrene to save life.

God never ordered the cutting of babies as far as I remember.

He also did order enemies killed who were determined to destroy Abraham's defendants.
In the same way as has been done in war many times.

He (unlike Obama) does have red lines that if crossed will result in repercussions.
You really don't want to partake in that.

[tor]

Cin, I will answer you-
Before the Flood man's GENETICS were corrupted and only Noah was untouched by it.
God was cutting short things from total evil. Just as a doctor amputates a limb that has gone gangrene to save life.

God never ordered the cutting of babies as far as I remember.

He also did order enemies killed who were determined to destroy Abraham's defendants.
In the same way as has been done in war many times.

He (unlike Obama) does have red lines that if crossed will result in repercussions.
You really don't want to partake in that.

[Minimalist]

Before the Flood man's GENETICS were corrupted and only Noah was untouched by it.

Evidence?

How come your fucking god was satisfied in genesis when he took pride in his work? What went wrong? Where did god fuck up? You pulled that last answer out of your ass....let's see you reach in and grab another turd for us!

[Chad32]

Adam and Eve screwed up because they ate the apple, despite yahweh's instructions. Also despite not knowing the concept of good and evil. Just like how my nieces would do things they weren't supposed to, even though they knew what "no" means, and their parents kicked them out on the street when they were toddlers. Those are the breaks.

[Lek]

A loving god would not punish a murderer the same as he would punish a thief, though, and certainly not forever. Depending on what you think hell is, certain versions can violate what most people see as love, mercy, or justice. If you believe in hell at all, which mainstream christians do.

I do believe in hell. I think the bible is very clear about the existence of hell. It's also not a pleasant place since Jesus said it would be better to gouge yor eye out or cutoff your arm than to go there, but it seems the bible is not completely clear concerning the length of time spent there. I've been looking more deeply into what the bible says about the duration of hell and I'm not sure that it's forever. I'm more convinced that the time there is more proportionate to the severity of sinfulness. The dominant belief in the church today is that it's eternal, but the early church fathers were more likely to support punishment in hell followed by either total destruction of the individual or the person coming to faith and then gong to heaven. The latter would seem to make a hell a place of correction as well as punishment.

[Cinjin]

I do believe in hell. I think the bible is very clear about the existence of hell. It's also not a pleasant place since Jesus said it would be better to gouge yor eye out or cutoff your arm than to go there, but it seems the bible is not completely clear concerning the length of time spent there. I've been looking more deeply into what the bible says about the duration of hell and I'm not sure that it's forever. I'm more convinced that the time there is more proportionate to the severity of sinfulness. The dominant belief in the church today is that it's eternal, but the early church fathers were more likely to support punishment in hell followed by either total destruction of the individual or the person coming to faith and then gong to heaven. The latter would seem to make a hell a place of correction as well as punishment.

OR


Hell is make-believe.
Hmmmm, being that nearly every organized religion has some version of hell, I'm leaning towards the latter.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

A loving god would not punish a murderer the same as he would punish a thief, though, and certainly not forever. Depending on what you think hell is, certain versions can violate what most people see as love, mercy, or justice. If you believe in hell at all, which mainstream christians do.

I do believe in hell. I think the bible is very clear about the existence of hell. It's also not a pleasant place since Jesus said it would be better to gouge yor eye out or cutoff your arm than to go there, but it seems the bible is not completely clear concerning the length of time spent there. I've been looking more deeply into what the bible says about the duration of hell and I'm not sure that it's forever. I'm more convinced that the time there is more proportionate to the severity of sinfulness. The dominant belief in the church today is that it's eternal, but the early church fathers were more likely to support punishment in hell followed by either total destruction of the individual or the person coming to faith and then gong to heaven. The latter would seem to make a hell a place of correction as well as punishment.

Even Jesus went to hell. It's just a temporary holding pen, like death and the sea. Everyone gets out on Judgment Day. Then it's off to the lake of fire of the gaudy bejeweled golden cube called New Jerusalem.

[RobbyPants]

Evidently you feel that a loving God would create us all to be puppets, make us do whatever he wants and give us everything to make us happy. That doesn't sound like something most of you would approve of since we all want to have control over our own lives. We want to achieve and accomplish based on our own efforts. We control our own destinies. We can do whatever we want. God has endowed us with the ability to learn and achieve and the freedom to do as we please. Having a free will includes taking the consequences for our choices. If we murder, then we can receive the death sentence in return. It seems that all the victims were deserving of punishment because they intentionally broke God's law. If any were not guilty (this includes babies and children), they went on to a life that is immeasurably better than the one they had. This was attained by God sacrificing his own son on our behalf. We all die some way. Would you rather be run through with a sword, have your head smashed against the wall or suffer for years in constant pain from cancer or whatever? Yes, I think a loving God does have the right to punish. The real reward or punsihment is how we ultimately end up.

I'm not sure if this is directed at the OP or someone else.

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Seriously.
A grotesque caricature is created in your mind, then we are questioned as to why we adhere to the monster?
I perceive that is called a straw man.

Is this directed at the OP or someone else?

I noticed you haven't actually addressed the OP.

• Does God tell us not to kill?
  
• Does God kill?
  
• Why doesn't he have to follow the no-killing rule?