Christian motives to lie.

[Whateverist]

So, let me get this straight.... It's ok for you guys to "denigrate" Christians and me in particular?

But, I have a perscution complex if I complain. And/or I'm an Atheist hater if I lash back?

Do not, I repeat, do not give up your religion. You simply aren't ready. If you can't take responsibility for your own words and actions without whining about what others have done to you, you just don't have a moral center. Cleave tightly to your objective, god-given morals. It's really all you have.

[smax]

I've spoken before about a couple of hobby-xtian friends of mine, who used to belong to some local church thing before they decided the pastor was getting too preachy and catty. Anyway, in one of their misguided and doomed convert-the-heathen phases, they related to me one of these 'miracle' stories told them by this pastor.

Apparently, she was walking home one evening and was about to enter the obligatory dark alley, when she was set upon by a cookie-cutter gang of youths intent on doing her harm. All of a sudden, they stopped in their tracks, staring above her head with a look of terror, then fled as if chased by old Herbert from Family Guy. Since the laws of narrative imperative require satisfying closure, one of the gang was collared by a policeman who, remembering the script, asked what was going on 'ere then. It turns out that the ne'er-do-wells had seen a fiery angel standing in mid air over their intended victim's head, possibly with a sword or some other illegal weapon, and obviously this had scared them so badly they immediately turned to the lord etc etc.

Yes. I was impressed too.

The Bible teaches, and Christians belief, that God is omnipresent, and yet many of his followers are victimized.

Clearly the "believer" in the story you shared was special, because god chose to assist and protect that believer.

Maybe I should help and protect some of my children, and then watch the others suffer. Wouldn't that be Christ-like?

[The Valkyrie]

I've spoken before about a couple of hobby-xtian friends of mine, who used to belong to some local church thing before they decided the pastor was getting too preachy and catty. Anyway, in one of their misguided and doomed convert-the-heathen phases, they related to me one of these 'miracle' stories told them by this pastor.

Apparently, she was walking home one evening and was about to enter the obligatory dark alley, when she was set upon by a cookie-cutter gang of youths intent on doing her harm. All of a sudden, they stopped in their tracks, staring above her head with a look of terror, then fled as if chased by old Herbert from Family Guy. Since the laws of narrative imperative require satisfying closure, one of the gang was collared by a policeman who, remembering the script, asked what was going on 'ere then. It turns out that the ne'er-do-wells had seen a fiery angel standing in mid air over their intended victim's head, possibly with a sword or some other illegal weapon, and obviously this had scared them so badly they immediately turned to the lord etc etc.

Yes. I was impressed too.

The Bible teaches, and Christians belief, that God is omnipresent, and yet many of his followers are victimized.

Clearly the "believer" in the story you shared was special, because god chose to assist and protect that believer.

Maybe I should help and protect some of my children, and then watch the others suffer. Wouldn't that be Christ-like?

I hope the cops put out an alert to find and arrest a possible winged arsonist wielding a deadly weapon?

[ronedee]

So, let me get this straight.... It's ok for you guys to "denigrate" Christians and me in particular?

But, I have a perscution complex if I complain. And/or I'm an Atheist hater if I lash back?

Do not, I repeat, do not give up your religion. You simply aren't ready. If you can't take responsibility for your own words and actions without whining about what others have done to you, you just don't have a moral center. Cleave tightly to your objective, god-given morals. It's really all you have.

Nice way to avoid the subject! And you cling tightly to your lie.

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So, let me get this straight.... It's ok for you guys to "denigrate" Christians and me in particular?

But, I have a perscution complex if I complain. And/or I'm an Atheist hater if I lash back?

That's funny, I thought this thread was made to denigrate liars for christianity, a specific subset of your religion that you should be insulting too, not your religion as a whole. That reaction is a little telling, actually, that you'd look at a thread that started with a story about a man deliberately faking a miracle (where's your condemnation for him, incidentally?) and decide that, since we're talking about specific examples of christian liars conning people for their faith, we must be talking about all christians!

Is the connection between "lying" and "christianity" so strong in your mind? Or is it, which I think is more likely, that you aren't actually reading the posts and are leaping to the defense of something you haven't really bothered to comprehend? Did you just see "christian" and "lie" in the thread title and jump to a conclusion?

How would you respond to a thread subject: "Atheist motives to lie"?

Or... would I need some pluralization for it to bother you?

[Ksa]

It's a power-play I guess, between the inventor of Religion (or hoaxes) and the idiots who believe. It gives him dopaminergic satisfaction to gaze upon their faith-struck faces thinking "I got you fools where I want you now".

[ronedee]

The ronedee doth protest too much, methinks.

...eh.... was not thus a "protest" thread stimmy?

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It's a power-play I guess, between the inventor of Religion (or hoaxes) and the idiots who believe. It gives him dopaminergic satisfaction to gaze upon their faith-struck faces thinking "I got you fools where I want you now".

Can you be a "part" of something/anything and still have your own mind?

[Cyberman]

It was an allusion to a common Shakespearean expression, for humourous effect but also carrying the implication that the subject is over-reacting in a knee-jerk fashion out of a sense of complicit self-identification with the topic at hand. In this particular case, your rather telling reaction to the 'enigration' of liars for the religious cause. I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.

[Esquilax]

How would you respond to a thread subject: "Atheist motives to lie"?

By reading the thread.

Or... would I need some pluralization for it to bother you?

Read the fucking thread. You are aware you're on the internet, right? Shaky grammar and spelling central? You can never be sure of anything about a thread based on the title alone! Is this what you've been reduced to, oversimplifying the issue to just the thread title to avoid admitting you didn't read the responses?

Because, you know, you started out talking about how terrible all of our responses in the threads were because we were attacking christians, and only one of us really had anything to do with the thread title, so clearly what got the original bee into your bonnet had nothing much to do with the title at all... unless you really didn't read the thread before commenting...

[Cyberman]

If I may jump back on-topic for a moment:

Someone in a FB atheist group I subscribe to has just posted this pic and accompanying text from elsewhere on FB (the weird line formatting is retained from the original):

My name is Angela, a
professional prostitute
for 7years, this is my OLD PIC
and this is my story;

I prostituted locally and
internationally . In short, I was a professional
whore
until I repented and became
born again.
After I had repented, I got
married to a man without telling him that I
had no
womb due to series of abortions.

After 2yrs of no child, my
husband
became worried but I couldn't
tell
him the truth, it would destroy
him.

One day, while in church, the
Pastor
prayed and said every barren
woman
should buy gifts and donate to
motherless babies. I did that with faith and
today,
I'm a proud mother of 2 boys
and 1 girl.

Even the doctor that removed
my
womb was shocked because it is
impossible for a woman without
a womb
to have babies but my miracle working
God did it for me.

NOW READ THIS;
My Pastor prophesied to me
that
EVERYONE I share my story with
shall
receive the same miracle in another way,
that is why I'm sharing my story
with you
so that;
1.) You receive your own miracle
2). You know that God is still in the
business of performing miracles.

MANY WILL READ THIS AND IGNORE
THAT IS WHY MANY ARE CALLED
BUT
FEW ARE CHOSEN.
"NOW I PRAY FOR YOU, TO EVERY
HAND THAT TYPE AMEN, MAY THE LORD
GOD
EMBARRASS YOU WITH A GREAT
MIRACLE TODAY AS HE DID FOR
ME".

TYPE AMEN AND SHARE THIS STORY
TO RECEIVE YOUR MIRACLE.
PLEASE DON'T JOKE WITH THIS!

Interestingly, the photo traces to a (definitely NSFW) thread on "allhiphop" forum, entitled "A tribute to BBW's". Not saying it's not this 'Angela', but it does rather look like someone wasn't as pious as perhaps they want us to believe.

I apologise for re-railing.

[Tonus]

When I see stuff like that I think "Poe." It comes off as someone trying to see how outrageous he can make the story sound and still have thousands of people hit "share."