To explain knowledge of God

[Fidel_Castronaut]

So, it's a circular argument about a claim proving a claim, GC?

Ok, whatever you say man.

No no, don't you see? It's okay! The claim says that the claim is proper justification of the claim! So the claim can totally prove the claim; the claim said so!

Infallible!

PRAISE ALLAH!

If only real life worked that way eh?

[Crossless2.0]

So, what about those who feel the 'energy' or 'spirit' or 'force' of another deity?
That should be sufficient proof of the existence of that deity.

Nice dodge. However, the question stands. Are those countless people throughout history who have 'experienced' some deity other than Yahweh wrong? Deluded by Satan? Did they really experience your god and just didn't know it? And how would one determine which of these is the correct answer -- especially in cases of ancient people who supposedly experienced the divine before A/S/K was even formulated?

[Drich]

We have chosen to find God. The choices we have are to that end and that end alone. 'freewill' is a ancient greek construct and not of the bible.

Huh, interesting. So many Christians that I talk to use free will as something that God imbued humans with, and God refuses to compromise that free will by appearing directly and undeniably. What's your stance on humans having God-given free will?

Again, 'Free will' is an ancient greek construct and not mentioned in the bible. The bible itself says the oppsite in the we do not have 'free will.' Rather we are slaves that have been given a choice, that choice is redemption and ultimatly freedom from the ties that bind us as slaves.

In short we have been given one real choice in this life. Your christian friends are correct in why God will not violate this choice by provideing undenyable proof from the outset. Our whole purpose in this life is to be give a span of time to proove to ourselves where our hearts lie. (With God or with sin) This life is a prooving ground. If God gave undenyiable evidence from the on set then self preservation would kick in and people would elect heaven for the wrong reason. As it is only those who want to serve God elect salvation.

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Nice dodge. However, the question stands. Are those countless people throughout history who have 'experienced' some deity other than Yahweh wrong? Deluded by Satan? Did they really experience your god and just didn't know it? And how would one determine which of these is the correct answer -- especially in cases of ancient people who supposedly experienced the divine before A/S/K was even formulated?

Without a doubt I have no arguement that people who experience the unexplain so do. Why? Because God is not the only 'being' who can interact with us from that plain of existance.

From a Christian POV God or the Devil has this ablity. Satan is a deceiver by nature. Satan can claim just about anything. for someone who does not know any better, what other choice do they have but believe whatever the supernature tells them?

This goes back to F/F's question on 'free will,' and why God does not interveen before we make our choice as to whether or not we want to spend eternity with Him.

Satan has no biblically identified code he works by.

[FatAndFaithless]

What about Christians who are agnostic and aren't seeking this undeniable incontrovertible proof of God because they don't think that's what God provides? Where are they on your God-sin spectrum in terms of "where their hearts lie", if they aren't seeking your proof?

[vorlon13]

Would Janus be the god of circular reasoning, among his other duties ???

[FatAndFaithless]

Wait, so did Drich say other religions are the work of Satan's deception?

[vorlon13]

That would include 39,999 of the 40,000 Christian ones alone.

Breathtaking in how steeped the world is in sin. Can Satan be beat ??

[Chas]

That is only 'proof' to you. Your experience is not proof to anyone else.

This would be a valid Arguement if said proof was not offered to anyone who didnot A/S/K for it. As it is you do not have proof because you have not followed the prescription to receive it.

Ah, presuppositionalism at its finest!
You presume it must work if it is tried, therefore I either didn't try or didn't do it right.

You always go full circular and you can never see it. Stunningly obtuse.

[Aoi Magi]

Wait, so gawd wants to hide and us to find him without even knowing he exists? Is he a freakin 3year old?

@Drich Also the bible itself has claims of several instances where gawd had tried to prove himself. So since you believe he won't try to prove himself in order to judge our hearts, so were those supposed proofs and miracles were created by the devil? Hmm, so are you sure that the devil didn't create the bible to lure away the followers of the true supreme being, Odin, or Krishna, or Allah, or .....

[Minimalist]

Many asked me how I could possibly have knowledge of God's existence and the answer is the NT teaches this, Christians can know and have knowledge of God.

You are a delusional fuckwit, G-C. You do have a tremendous capacity to con yourself though.