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RE: My predicition
January 20, 2015 at 3:37 am
(January 19, 2015 at 5:11 pm)jesus_wept Wrote: (January 18, 2015 at 1:26 pm)Heywood Wrote: I predict that life will be found outside of earth(probably on mars) and when it is examined it will be found to be from the same lineage as life on earth.
Do you think, if intelligent life were ever found, that they'd believe in Jesus too, or do you think god would've sent someone else to "save" them? Or perhaps none of the above.
I have no idea what intelligent life would believe. I doubt they would believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. However if they did I think you should start going to church.
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RE: My predicition
January 20, 2015 at 5:12 am
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(January 20, 2015 at 3:37 am)Heywood Wrote: (January 19, 2015 at 5:11 pm)jesus_wept Wrote: Do you think, if intelligent life were ever found, that they'd believe in Jesus too, or do you think god would've sent someone else to "save" them? Or perhaps none of the above.
I have no idea what intelligent life would believe. I doubt they would believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. However if they did I think you should start going to church.
Tbh this was a rhetorical question really and I was just hoping to point out the arrogance of Christianity, not only are Christians big headed enough to think the entire universe was made for them but they think god actually came to this insignificant speck of dust to "save" them. And I think your threat, telling me I should go to church if they do believe in Jesus, shows the petty Christian mindset for all it is.
Incidently, when Bruno asked questions like this, the Catholic church ripped his tongue out and set him on fire to silence him.
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RE: My predicition
January 20, 2015 at 5:36 am
(January 20, 2015 at 2:21 am)Aractus Wrote: It's peer-review published, and all of the experimentally testable objections have been disproved. Life was discovered on Mars in 1976, and that's pretty much the end of the story.
If NASA wanted to follow proper scientific process they would have sent a new experiment on one of their other probes - they've refused to do this. They wouldn't just flat-out deny the results, that's completely absurd.
Very interesting, I wasn't aware of these results.
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RE: My predicition
January 20, 2015 at 5:43 am
The problem with predictions is that even if they come true, that leaves the question of why they came true. Chance, evidence, estimation... The person making the prediction doesn't get to assign meaning to it coming true without also demonstrating this meaning to be the case.
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RE: My predicition
January 20, 2015 at 11:39 am
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(January 20, 2015 at 5:12 am)jesus_wept Wrote: (January 20, 2015 at 3:37 am)Heywood Wrote: I have no idea what intelligent life would believe. I doubt they would believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. However if they did I think you should start going to church.
Tbh this was a rhetorical question really and I was just hoping to point out the arrogance of Christianity, not only are Christians big headed enough to think the entire universe was made for them but they think god actually came to this insignificant speck of dust to "save" them. And I think your threat, telling me I should go to church if they do believe in Jesus, shows the petty Christian mindset for all it is.
If aliens came to this planet for the first time proclaiming Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet, I would suggest you start going to Mosque. My "threat" has nothing to do with Christian mindset. It has to do with a position that if aliens independently practiced a religion earthlings also practice, that would suggest to me that such a religion is divinely inspired. It is much more likely that Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet than for the exact same religion to emerge on another planet as a matter of happenstance.
This is just my opinion of course.
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RE: My predicition
January 20, 2015 at 12:07 pm
(January 20, 2015 at 11:39 am)Heywood Wrote: If aliens came to this planet for the first time proclaiming Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet, I would suggest you start going to Mosque. My "threat" has nothing to do with Christian mindset. It has to do with a position that if aliens independently practiced a religion earthlings also practice, that would suggest to me that such a religion is divinely inspired. It is much more likely that Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet than for the exact same religion to emerge on another planet as a matter of happenstance.
This is just my opinion of course.
Why couldn't allah have been a spacefairing super advanced alien? There, now we have two theories with equal amounts of evidence.
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RE: My predicition
January 20, 2015 at 12:19 pm
(January 20, 2015 at 11:39 am)Heywood Wrote: (January 20, 2015 at 5:12 am)jesus_wept Wrote: Tbh this was a rhetorical question really and I was just hoping to point out the arrogance of Christianity, not only are Christians big headed enough to think the entire universe was made for them but they think god actually came to this insignificant speck of dust to "save" them. And I think your threat, telling me I should go to church if they do believe in Jesus, shows the petty Christian mindset for all it is.
If aliens came to this planet for the first time proclaiming Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet, I would suggest you start going to Mosque. My "threat" has nothing to do with Christian mindset. It has to do with a position that if aliens independently practiced a religion earthlings also practice, that would suggest to me that such a religion is divinely inspired. It is much more likely that Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet than for the exact same religion to emerge on another planet as a matter of happenstance.
This is just my opinion of course.
The more parsimonious explanation would be that those aliens had been here 1400 years ago and started Islam.
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RE: My predicition
January 20, 2015 at 12:22 pm
Is there any eventuality that wouldn't imply God is real? That's the problem. Anything and everything is good enough evidence for God, for someone who has already decided they want it to exist.
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RE: My predicition
January 20, 2015 at 12:24 pm
(January 20, 2015 at 2:21 am)Aractus Wrote: It's peer-review published, and all of the experimentally testable objections have been disproved. Life was discovered on Mars in 1976, and that's pretty much the end of the story.
If NASA wanted to follow proper scientific process they would have sent a new experiment on one of their other probes - they've refused to do this. They wouldn't just flat-out deny the results, that's completely absurd.
Very few scientists agree with Levin on this. Later tests and data make his conclusions doubtful.
Claiming that life has already been found on Mars is not supportable.
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RE: My predicition
January 20, 2015 at 1:17 pm
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(January 20, 2015 at 12:19 pm)Chas Wrote: (January 20, 2015 at 11:39 am)Heywood Wrote: If aliens came to this planet for the first time proclaiming Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet, I would suggest you start going to Mosque. My "threat" has nothing to do with Christian mindset. It has to do with a position that if aliens independently practiced a religion earthlings also practice, that would suggest to me that such a religion is divinely inspired. It is much more likely that Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet than for the exact same religion to emerge on another planet as a matter of happenstance.
This is just my opinion of course.
The more parsimonious explanation would be that those aliens had been here 1400 years ago and started Islam.
One condition of the thought experiment is "aliens came to this planet for the first time"......so your explanation would not work.
If you want instead of aliens visiting, lets suppose you intercept radio signals from another planet, in another galaxy, which proclaims God to be Allah and Mohammed is His prophet.
(January 20, 2015 at 12:22 pm)robvalue Wrote: Is there any eventuality that wouldn't imply God is real? That's the problem. Anything and everything is good enough evidence for God, for someone who has already decided they want it to exist.
And no evidence is good enough for those who have already decided they don't want God to exist.
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