Catholic vandal on trial: punishment would be an "attack on Christians."

[Lao Shizi]

She should be charged with a hate crime.

[Norman Humann]

Yeah! She hurt my demonic feelings.

[Esquilax]

Except my position has always been that you determine a christian based on actions(evidence) not words(claims). You should be familiar with that concept....

I don't care what your position on christianity is. Who are you? You're just person number eight million with an opinion on true christianity, but that doesn't mean anything. Why should I privilege yours over anyone else's? Over the opinion of the person we're talking about? There are christians in this subforum right now arguing both the action-based position you have, and a faith based alternative where actions don't enter into things at all; how do either side intend to demonstrate that their views match the actual intent of the god you claim is behind the religion? Don't use bible verses, though: Mr. Faith-Alone-Is-Salvation in the other thread has his own set, since the bible is such a very mutable book.

Personally, I'm willing to take people at their word regarding the things they believe, rather than being so absurdly presumptuous as to pretend to know more about what they believe than they do. Besides, even if you're right and actions are important, those actions dictate the quality of one's religious conviction, not whether it exists or not. Someone who believes in the christian religion but doesn't execute on that consistently would be bad at being a christian, not not a christian at all. The world's worst soccer player is still a soccer player, he doesn't suddenly become not a soccer player just because he doesn't match up to some random guy's arbitrary and vaguely defined required level of skill to be a "true soccer player."

[Thumpalumpacus]

Buggy, when you're in a hole, it's best to stop digging.

[robvalue]

I notice a theist trend of not being willing to admit to mistakes, even blatantly obvious ones about reading (or not reading) articles. It does happen, but extremely rarely. There are some people on here who I don't think have ever owned up to a mistake that I have seen. That's a serious personality flaw that people should work on. To make mistakes is human. There's no shame in admitting them. But willfuly pretending you haven't made a mistake makes you a hypocrite and makes you less trustworthy in the future. This is general advice, not aimed at anyone in particular.

All atheists agree, I just asked them through the hive mind.

[Norman Humann]

Buggy, when you're in a hole, it's best to stop digging.

Especially when you're out of shovels...

[Natachan]

Oh boo hoo, she has to follow the same laws as everybody the fuck else. Such horrid persecution.

I support her right to believe whatever the fuck she wants, but religious liberty stops at action. She can believe anything she damn well wants, but she is not allowed to practice any way she wants. You are not allowed to harm anyone or anything and claim it's part of your religious liberty.

[robvalue]

Damn straight. In my opinion the laws should always trump religious beliefs when they cause a conflict. Otherwise you can just make up any old crap to have whatever law you like not apply to you.

Theists so often forget that religious beliefs are arbitrary.

[Radco]

Other than degree, how is her crime different from the Charlie Hebdo shooters?

[Norman Humann]

She won't be protested against.