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RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist?
June 30, 2015 at 5:02 am
(This post was last modified: June 30, 2015 at 5:06 am by ErGingerbreadMandude.)
(June 30, 2015 at 4:17 am)jesus_wept Wrote: (June 30, 2015 at 3:45 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Just because there's a herd of smarty-pants space aliens whizzing around the stars it doesn't make them "gods". If a smart guy from today went back in time he could impress the heck out of the grubby goat ropers with his bag of tricks. But he would still be a man and not a real "god" even if the goat ropers called him a "god" and worshipped him.
There is a cargo cult in the Pacific that worships Prince Philip as a god, and I've seen Prince Philip so I'm pretty certain he exists. Which means I've been wrong about my atheism all this time because God exists and he lives in Buckingham palace!
Nice try.That is not my logic.
Quote:Suppose the earth were populated by 3 human beings A,B,C
And suppose A valued a set of qualities X,B valued a set of qualities Y and C valued a set of qualities Z.
Another human being D enters the picture
Supposed D had a set of qualites X and suppose the X that D possesses far surpasses the X possessed by A
Then D would be Superior to A.
But D would still be inferior in every aspect to B and C if the intersection of X(D) and Y(B) and Z© would be a null set.Even if it weren't a null set then the X(D) would still have to surpass the intersection of Y(B) and Z©.
If D(X) were to surpass A(X),B(Y) and C(Z) then D(X) would be superior everyone on planet earth.Therefore it would be fair to say that D is a superior being.
Prince philip must've showed some characteristics to the cult that made his superior to them or somehow entwined the good being of the tribe with the impression prince philip had on the tribe.Like he must've done them some favors.So please him more/workship him then he will provide more favors.
Now unless some characteristics important to you is possessed by Prince Philip and he is way more superior in it than you THEN YOU can consider him to be a god(YOUR god as per definition,as others may or may not share your same views).That is the reason i'm saying that a god to be characterized as a god would have to posses all the set of qualities humans possess in a superior form.
As in superior to us in every (important)aspect.
@ Alex K, Undermining me would not make your argument any more true or make my argument any less true.
As i said,i do not matter,my existence is irrelevant,it doesn't matter if i am a troll(not that i'm admitting to be).Ideas matter.
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RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist?
June 30, 2015 at 5:23 am
So, by your logic, are we gods?
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RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist?
June 30, 2015 at 5:27 am
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(June 30, 2015 at 5:23 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: So, by your logic, are we gods?
If a inferior race of aliens exist and we are superior to them which is probable if superior beings are probable so is inferior beings.
Then yes,by definition,not by my logic,we would be considered as gods by them.Someone already said this before me.
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RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist?
June 30, 2015 at 5:29 am
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The problem is that you are the only person I've ever been aware of in my life who uses the word "god" to mean "more powerful relative to something else". So you'd have to explain all this to any particular person to avoid confusing them, unless confusing them is your purpose.
Or you could just use the phrase "more powerful than" which we already have, and stop using a weird obscure definition for no apparent reason other than to try and score a bizarre victory over atheists.
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RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist?
June 30, 2015 at 5:46 am
(June 30, 2015 at 5:29 am)robvalue Wrote: The problem is that you are the only person I've ever been aware of in my life who uses the word "god" to mean "more powerful relative to something else". So you'd have to explain all this to any particular person to avoid confusing them, unless confusing them is your purpose.
Or you could just use the phrase "more powerful than" which we already have, and stop using a weird obscure definition for no apparent reason other than to try and score a bizarre victory over atheists.
Actually,i haven't used the word god to mean more powerful relative to something else.
What i said was that god are superior beings that are able to perform supernatural phenomenon(As per definition that i did not make up out of the blue).
Also i'm not talking about any religious gods because i see others trying to get Jesus or other religious dumb ideas into this argument.
And since knowledge is not a constant across humans or races even.
And since superiority is also relative then i'd be fair to assume what you have assumed.
My point is i didn't just come out of the blue and say that god means more powerful relative to something else.I drew this conclusion from other facts and definitions that i did not make up.
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RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist?
June 30, 2015 at 5:50 am
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(June 30, 2015 at 5:46 am)pool Wrote: Actually,i haven't used the word god to mean more powerful relative to something else.
What i said was that god are superior beings that are able to perform supernatural phenomenon(As per definition that i did not make up out of the blue).
Also i'm not talking about any religious gods because i see others trying to get Jesus or other religious dumb ideas into this argument.
And since knowledge is not a constant across humans or races even.
And since superiority is also relative then i'd be fair to assume what you have assumed.
My point is i didn't just come out of the blue and say that god means more powerful relative to something else.I drew this conclusion from other facts and definitions that i did not make up.
Jesus Christ in a Cracker, what on earth is your actual complete point? In one concise sentence. I think you're trolling, but people seem to give you the benefit of the doubt, so...
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist?
June 30, 2015 at 5:57 am
(June 30, 2015 at 5:46 am)pool Wrote: What i said was that god are superior beings that are able to perform supernatural phenomenon(As per definition that i did not make up out of the blue).
And as I already explained in my previous post, supernatural phenomena that occur cannot possibly be supernatural, because if they happen in nature they must follow the laws of nature, whether we as humans comprehend those laws or not. Supernatural is an empty concept, because it cannot possibly exist in the natural world, by definition.
And it would be really nice if you could explain, in three or so sentences, what point you're trying to get across.
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RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist?
June 30, 2015 at 6:07 am
(June 30, 2015 at 5:02 am)pool Wrote: (June 30, 2015 at 4:17 am)jesus_wept Wrote: There is a cargo cult in the Pacific that worships Prince Philip as a god, and I've seen Prince Philip so I'm pretty certain he exists. Which means I've been wrong about my atheism all this time because God exists and he lives in Buckingham palace!
Nice try.That is not my logic.
Quote:Suppose the earth were populated by 3 human beings A,B,C
And suppose A valued a set of qualities X,B valued a set of qualities Y and C valued a set of qualities Z.
Another human being D enters the picture
Supposed D had a set of qualites X and suppose the X that D possesses far surpasses the X possessed by A
Then D would be Superior to A.
But D would still be inferior in every aspect to B and C if the intersection of X(D) and Y(B) and Z© would be a null set.Even if it weren't a null set then the X(D) would still have to surpass the intersection of Y(B) and Z©.
If D(X) were to surpass A(X),B(Y) and C(Z) then D(X) would be superior everyone on planet earth.Therefore it would be fair to say that D is a superior being.
Prince philip must've showed some characteristics to the cult that made his superior to them or somehow entwined the good being of the tribe with the impression prince philip had on the tribe.Like he must've done them some favors.So please him more/workship him then he will provide more favors.
Now unless some characteristics important to you is possessed by Prince Philip and he is way more superior in it than you THEN YOU can consider him to be a god(YOUR god as per definition,as others may or may not share your same views).That is the reason i'm saying that a god to be characterized as a god would have to posses all the set of qualities humans possess in a superior form.
As in superior to us in every (important)aspect.
@Alex K, Undermining me would not make your argument any more true or make my argument any less true.
As i said,i do not matter,my existence is irrelevant,it doesn't matter if i am a troll(not that i'm admitting to be).Ideas matter.
Personally speaking, I'm struggling to tell the difference between your god and the cargo cult but I'm not going to argue the point.
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RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist?
June 30, 2015 at 6:11 am
(June 30, 2015 at 5:50 am)Alex K Wrote: (June 30, 2015 at 5:46 am)pool Wrote: Actually,i haven't used the word god to mean more powerful relative to something else.
What i said was that god are superior beings that are able to perform supernatural phenomenon(As per definition that i did not make up out of the blue).
Also i'm not talking about any religious gods because i see others trying to get Jesus or other religious dumb ideas into this argument.
And since knowledge is not a constant across humans or races even.
And since superiority is also relative then i'd be fair to assume what you have assumed.
My point is i didn't just come out of the blue and say that god means more powerful relative to something else.I drew this conclusion from other facts and definitions that i did not make up.
Jesus Christ in a Cracker, what on earth is your actual complete point? In one concise sentence. I think you're trolling, but people seem to give you the benefit of the doubt, so...
God exists.
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RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist?
June 30, 2015 at 6:16 am
matey ...thank you ...now it ALL makes sense...
Another dumb question...
How would convincing us on the internet make your god any more real?
Did you need our approval? I'm all for it! He loves you! He really does! hehe
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