A Religion for the Non Religious

[loganonekenobi]

i did read it. All of it. I could write volumes of thoughts, experiences, and questions on this work.

But what is there to really say? This calls out to truly look at your self and think, look, understand......

He put into words (modern words) what others before have tried to do but instead accicently made religions.

Why? Because few want to evolve... it's scary and it can really bust the ego. Easier to take on someone else's step 4 moment and proclaim it as the truth because looking for your own may/will break you.

I have felt those "whoa" moments in my life. I could not stay in that moment and live in society. If only i had more skill at living off the land....to this day I still wish for that moment in my life.

you might tell me that God (of the Bible) can give me this but the one truth I do know is that in my particular set of circumstance that is not the case. It might be in yours . That's not for me to judge.

This is the mountain that each human stands before. Is heaven choosing to clear the fog and hell choosing not to?? Maybe this is what the religions are supposed to be teaching but sadly most fail miserably due to the scared monkeys in our brains.

My thoughts to your thoughts.

[AFTT47]

I just read it. It pretty much mirrors my own thoughts. I wouldn't call what he wrote, "A religion for the non-religious" though. It's written more like a self-help guide.

I think the author is spot-on regarding the fact that logic utterly destroys all the religions people have invented but also demands the possibility of a deistic or pantheistic type of being. I don't even think of speculation about such a being as in the realm of religion, anymore than speculation about any other facet of the universe that is for the time being, completely outside our circle of knowledge. To me, religion = assuming something is true on the basis of faith.

[Catholic_Lady]

i did read it.  All of it.  I could write volumes of thoughts, experiences, and questions on this work.

But what is there to really say?  This calls out to truly look at your self and think, look, understand......

He put into words (modern words) what others before have tried to do but instead accicently made religions.

Why? Because few want to evolve... it's scary and it can really bust the ego.  Easier to take on someone else's step 4 moment and proclaim it as the truth because looking for your own may/will break you.

I have felt those "whoa" moments in my life.  I could not stay in that moment and live in society.  If only i had more skill at living off the land....to this day I still wish for that moment in my life.

you might tell me that God (of the Bible) can give me this but the one truth I do know is that in my particular set of circumstance that is not the case. It might be in yours . That's not for me to judge.

This is the mountain that each human stands before.  Is heaven choosing to clear the fog and hell choosing not to??  Maybe this is what the religions are supposed to be teaching but sadly most fail miserably due to the scared monkeys in our brains.

My thoughts to your thoughts.

I like that a lot of the stuff he talked about can apply to both theists and non theists alike.

For example, when he talked about the animals in our brains, I always described that as temptation. The fog is sin. The purple blob is God.

It's the same basic principles/ideas, just with different titles.

[loganonekenobi]

i did read it.  All of it.  I could write volumes of thoughts, experiences, and questions on this work.

But what is there to really say?  This calls out to truly look at your self and think, look, understand......

He put into words (modern words) what others before have tried to do but instead accicently made religions.

Why? Because few want to evolve... it's scary and it can really bust the ego.  Easier to take on someone else's step 4 moment and proclaim it as the truth because looking for your own may/will break you.

I have felt those "whoa" moments in my life.  I could not stay in that moment and live in society.  If only i had more skill at living off the land....to this day I still wish for that moment in my life.

you might tell me that God (of the Bible) can give me this but the one truth I do know is that in my particular set of circumstance that is not the case. It might be in yours . That's not for me to judge.

This is the mountain that each human stands before.  Is heaven choosing to clear the fog and hell choosing not to??  Maybe this is what the religions are supposed to be teaching but sadly most fail miserably due to the scared monkeys in our brains.

My thoughts to your thoughts.

I like that a lot of the stuff he talked about can apply to both theists and non theists alike.

For example, when he talked about the animals in our brains, I always described that as temptation. The fog is sin. The purple blob is God.

It's the same basic principles/ideas, just with different titles.

Most of the eastern religions can be seen this way but I don't see that so much in the western jewish/christian/muslum types. They seem/seemed more interested in whether or not you believed as they wanted you to. I've read some of the bible when it comes to quoting what it says about non believers and i have been to churches recently just to see for myself. They where more concerned about WHAT you believed rather than spiritual development. Which is the real reason why i feel this site even exists.

Where as YOU( ) might be able to open your mind to the possibility that we have the same goal as far as becoming better people most pastors/preachers/fathers/decons and so on would say that you can't possible achieve such a goal of taming the monkeys with out their particular way of believing in their particular god.

If more folks did what you are doing by simply saying "call it what you will but no matter what try to clear the fog and be a better person.... come to my church maybe we can help you." Then we as humans can stop wasting our time on arguing who's god is right and get down to becoming the better more compasionate people that maybe we where ment to be.

Is there a site that does that?

[Catholic_Lady]

I like that a lot of the stuff he talked about can apply to both theists and non theists alike.

For example, when he talked about the animals in our brains, I always described that as temptation. The fog is sin. The purple blob is God.

It's the same basic principles/ideas, just with different titles.

Most of the eastern religions can be seen this way but I don't see that so much in the western jewish/christian/muslum types.  They seem/seemed more interested in whether or not you believed as they wanted you to.  I've read some of the bible when it comes to quoting what  it  says about non believers and i have been to churches recently just to see for myself.  They where more concerned about WHAT you believed rather than spiritual development.  Which is the real reason why i feel this site even exists.

Where as YOU( ) might be able  to open your mind to the possibility  that we have the same goal as far as becoming better people most pastors/preachers/fathers/decons and so on would say that you can't possible achieve such a goal of taming the  monkeys with out their particular way of believing in their particular god.

If more folks did what you are doing by simply saying "call it what you will but no matter what try to clear the fog and be a better person.... come to my church maybe we can help you."  Then we as humans can stop wasting our time on arguing who's god is right and get down to becoming the better more compasionate  people that maybe we where ment to be.

Is there a site  that does that?

(my bold)

If you read my signature, the Pope kinda hints at something like this, though less in depth.

I agree that a lot of religious leaders forget about trying to connect with each other through the common ground that we should all try to be better, more compassionate, less self centered people... and to come together to do good around the world.

Thanks for the compliment by the way! Thanks for being open minded enough to read an article posted by a theist and with a title that had the word "religion" on it lol.

[AFTT47]

The purple blob is God.

It's the same basic principles/ideas, just with different titles.

There's a big difference regarding the purple blob. The purple blob is the unknown and perhaps (at least for the present) unknowable. You theists (at least the dogmatic kind) have this amazing idea that it's not unknown to you. You believe you know what it is, what it wants and that you can telepathically communicate with it. Even more problematic, each of you have a different idea about this purple blob - and all of you are convinced that you are right.

[Catholic_Lady]

The purple blob is God.

It's the same basic principles/ideas, just with different titles.

There's a big difference regarding the purple blob. The purple blob is the unknown and perhaps (at least for the present) unknowable. You theists (at least the dogmatic kind) have this amazing idea that it's not unknown to you. You believe you know what it is, what it wants and that you can telepathically communicate with it. Even more problematic, each of you have a different idea about this purple blob - and all of you are convinced that you are right.

The purple blob represents that there is something more, something greater, and that it is and beyond our current ability to comprehend.

To him (the author), it is completely unknown. And that is why he describes it as the unknown. To us Christians, we see it as being God (which we also don't fully understand).

^Even though these are 2 different approaches, we are still in agreement that there is more out there, regardless of whether that's God, or simply anything else we don't fully comprehend and having nothing to do with any god.

This is what I mean when I refer to us religious and non religious alike having the same basic principle.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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There's a big difference regarding the purple blob. The purple blob is the unknown and perhaps (at least for the present) unknowable. You theists (at least the dogmatic kind) have this amazing idea that it's not unknown to you. You believe you know what it is, what it wants and that you can telepathically communicate with it. Even more problematic, each of you have a different idea about this purple blob - and all of you are convinced that you are right.

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The purple blob represents that there is something more, something greater, and that it is and beyond our current ability to comprehend.

To him (the author), it is completely unknown. And that is why he describes it as the unknown. To us Christians, we see it as being God (which we also don't fully understand).

^Even though these are 2 different approaches, we are still in agreement that there is more out there, regardless of whether that's God, or simply anything else we don't fully comprehend and having nothing to do with any god.

This is what I mean when I refer to us religious and non religious alike having the same basic principle.

So even though you don't have a clue as to what your favorite "god" creature is you believe in people's favorite ethnocentric religious fairy tales about him and how he favors them to the exclusion of the rest of humanity.  Sounds reasonable.

[Catholic_Lady]

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So even though you don't have a clue as to what your favorite "god" creature is you believe in people's favorite ethnocentric religious fairy tales about him and how he favors them to the exclusion of the rest of humanity.  Sounds reasonable.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

So even though you don't have a clue as to what your favorite "god" creature is you believe in people's favorite ethnocentric religious fairy tales about him and how he favors them to the exclusion of the rest of humanity.  Sounds reasonable.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying.

You wrote:  

To us Christians, we see it as being God (which we also don't fully understand).

So by your own admission you don't comprehend your favorite deity whom you worship but you believe that he favors a certain ethnic group to the exclusion of the rest of humanity because their ethnocentric religious fairy tale says so.