New trend in evolution deniers.

[brewer]

Sorry, brain won't let me past pink undies!

[dyresand]

I'm fucking tired of stupid people who lie for their religion. ID is bullshit, creationism is bullshit, god as a idea is bullshit, time
and time again fucking stupid people argue with scientific fact and lie. And in this case in general it was biased of course
science isn't going to win in a court case against a republicunt most republicans love stupid people they love stupid christians
even more than stupid people.

[veoli]

Well, HOW do they argue that it disproves Evolution? That would be kind of important to know first...

Well, I know that there are those who will argue that evolution favors creationism in that DNA proves we were all created unique (barring identitcal twins), but I've yet to hear how it disproves evolution.

The former already leaves me in a state of bamboozlement so how this new tactic plays out will be interesting.

[Brian37]

I'm fucking tired of stupid people who lie for their religion. ID is bullshit, creationism is bullshit, god as a idea is bullshit, time
and time again fucking stupid people argue with scientific fact and lie. And in this case in general it was biased of course
science isn't going to win in a court case against a republicunt most republicans love stupid people they love stupid christians
even more than stupid people.

Look, this bullshit can be combated much better by pointing out that all religions pull this shit. I have been at this for 15 years and have seen not just Christians but Muslims and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists.

When the believer cannot debunk science, they attempt to co opt it. We need to face all religions with the reality that scientific method does not prop up any religion. Scientific method is not compatible with any religion. Religious people can and do accept science, but have to cherry pick to avoid the conflicts science rightfully has with it.

[Amine]

I talked to some guy who debated Matt Dillahunty named Israel Rodriguez and he thinks DNA is the best evidence for God. Here's what he said in full:

"The material evidence that implies God is vast. However, in my estimation, the best piece of evidence is found in DNA and RNA (I referred to this in the first night of my debate with Matt). According to Madalyn Murray O'Hair in "What on Earth is an Atheist?" 1972 pg. 39-40, she stated, "We accept the technical philosophy of materialism. It is a valid philosophy which cannot be discredited. Essentially, materialism's philosophy holds that nothing exists but natural phenomena...There are no supernatural forces, no supernatural entities such as gods, or heavens or hells, or life after death." If this is the case, how do we explain the existence of information? Information is, "The communication or reception of knowledge or intelligence. The attribute inherent in and communicated by one of two or more alternative sequences or arrangements of something (as nucleotides in DNA or binary digits in a computer program) that produce specific effects. A signal or character (as in a communication system or computer) representing data. Something (as a message, experimental data, or a picture) which justifies change in a construct (as a plan or theory) that represents physical or mental experience or another construct" (Merriam-Webster's Dictionary). DNA is said to be "the genetic information system of the software of life" (Hubert Yockey PhD. Physics and Information Theory). This proves that we are not simply "material," but there is also an "immaterial" aspect to life. DNA and RNA are material while the information in these molecules is immaterial. Where did this genetic information come from? And more importantly, what produces information? This points me away from the Big Bang Model of the universe and the Theory of Evolution. It points me to a superhuman controlling power that is outside of space and time. The Bible tells me this is God. I have more to say about this, but I will await your response because something tells me I'll have to explain how this is not the "god of the gaps.""

[Brian37]

I talked to some guy who debated Matt Dillahunty named Israel Rodriguez and he thinks DNA is the best evidence for God. Here's what he said in full:

"The material evidence that implies God is vast. However, in my estimation, the best piece of evidence is found in DNA and RNA (I referred to this in the first night of my debate with Matt). According to Madalyn Murray O'Hair in "What on Earth is an Atheist?" 1972 pg. 39-40, she stated, "We accept the technical philosophy of materialism. It is a valid philosophy which cannot be discredited. Essentially, materialism's philosophy holds that nothing exists but natural phenomena...There are no supernatural forces, no supernatural entities such as gods, or heavens or hells, or life after death." If this is the case, how do we explain the existence of information? Information is, "The communication or reception of knowledge or intelligence. The attribute inherent in and communicated by one of two or more alternative sequences or arrangements of something (as nucleotides in DNA or binary digits in a computer program) that produce specific effects. A signal or character (as in a communication system or computer) representing data. Something (as a message, experimental data, or a picture) which justifies change in a construct (as a plan or theory) that represents physical or mental experience or another construct" (Merriam-Webster's Dictionary). DNA is said to be "the genetic information system of the software of life" (Hubert Yockey PhD. Physics and Information Theory). This proves that we are not simply "material," but there is also an "immaterial" aspect to life. DNA and RNA are material while the information in these molecules is immaterial. Where did this genetic information come from? And more importantly, what produces information? This points me away from the Big Bang Model of the universe and the Theory of Evolution. It points me to a superhuman controlling power that is outside of space and time. The Bible tells me this is God. I have more to say about this, but I will await your response because something tells me I'll have to explain how this is not the "god of the gaps.""

Still a bullshit argument for the reasons stated above in my prior post. Everyone claims science props up their religion. Not only that any and all god claims still suffer the problem of "which one" but also the problem of infinite regress.

The universe can be both finite and infinite without a super magical cognition, just like a up and down, cycle, on and off can repeat. On is finite and off is finite, but both can cycle forever. 

QM is quite fine with an infinite quantum cycle without a magic sky hero. While we don't know if it is something or nothing. It looks like "all this" is fluctuating between something and nothing, like light switch.

Rise and fall, in and out, up and down, on and off, do not suffer infinite regress because top and bottom fluctuate.

Even if you draw a line across a standard piece of schoolbook note paper, that line is finite but can does have in infinite number of integers in it.

As soon as you plop in a infinitely complex sky hero, then you need something even more complex to explain that sky hero, then something even more complex to explain that one and so on and so on and so on. It explains nothing.

[drfuzzy]

We all know by now that creatards don't have or acknowledge a fail-state option.
Eg, if human DNA was unique and not shared with other living things, you guessed it, they'll say:

See, god made us unique because we don't share our special DNA with other life! Checkmate!

He he, you gotta love 'em! Poor things...

I could love them if they were not bastardizing science and spreading that virus of stupidity. I could live with a theist who accepts all science and can leave their religion at the door. But even given that, like Stenger, and I agree with him, the debate becomes about treating religion "separate but equal". I don't agree with that, but that is a debate I can live with. I cannot and will not accept a continued attack on facts. Evolution is fact, to not defend it would be like saying it is ok to teach 1+1=Pixies.

I wish these nuts didn't have an affect on public education but they do. I wish they could leave their religion in Sunday school, but they don't.

The right-wing idjits are the reason that Donald Trump just might actually get the Republican nomination.  That's still way too much political power for my liking.  And yes, they can have an effect upon all sorts of legislation here in the good ol' US of A.  I'm sitting, right now, in a state that voted in 2005 that Intelligent Design be included in all science classes throughout the state.  It was repealed in 2007, but the fact that the creatards got a whole state to teach ID for two years is more than a little frightening.  
     I, like Brian, don't know what I can do to fight against this culture of ignorance.  But there has to be something.  Some way to speak out.  I know some moderate xtians who agree with me, and that's heartening (folks like Kingpin and CL).  And probably, we will see fundamentalist evangelicalism diminish.  But at this point, they're a powerful and very angry group.

[Brian37]

I could love them if they were not bastardizing science and spreading that virus of stupidity. I could live with a theist who accepts all science and can leave their religion at the door. But even given that, like Stenger, and I agree with him, the debate becomes about treating religion "separate but equal". I don't agree with that, but that is a debate I can live with. I cannot and will not accept a continued attack on facts. Evolution is fact, to not defend it would be like saying it is ok to teach 1+1=Pixies.

I wish these nuts didn't have an affect on public education but they do. I wish they could leave their religion in Sunday school, but they don't.

The right-wing idjits are the reason that Donald Trump just might actually get the Republican nomination.  That's still way too much political power for my liking.  And yes, they can have an effect upon all sorts of legislation here in the good ol' US of A.  I'm sitting, right now, in a state that voted in 2005 that Intelligent Design be included in all science classes throughout the state.  It was repealed in 2007, but the fact that the creatards got a whole state to teach ID for two years is more than a little frightening.  
     I, like Brian, don't know what I can do to fight against this culture of ignorance.  But there has to be something.  Some way to speak out.  I know some moderate xtians who agree with me, and that's heartening (folks like Kingpin and CL).  And probably, we will see fundamentalist evangelicalism diminish.  But at this point, they're a powerful and very angry group.

You are doing something about it right now. Don't think small voices don't add up. Now if you want to do more, you don't have to create a website like this or write a book like Dawkins, but what you do does help.

If you compare where the atheist voice was in 01 to what it has become today, it is huge compared to back then. If all you can do is post on social media, both our side and debate their side on their pages, it does help. The more of us who do it, the less religion has a place to hide.

[robvalue]

It's very true, every little bit counts! With rational voices everywhere, ignorance has fewer places to read its ugly head.

That brings me back to logical fallacies a bit too, by pointing them out it shows the extremely repetitive and flawed nature of crappy religious arguments. When the readers notice the same mistakes being made over and over, and the people making those mistakes not trying to correct themselves, they'll see which side is rational and which is digging itself a big hole.

Bloody DNA arguments. "Stuff is so cool, gotta be made by some magic!" Yeah, it is cool. You can just stop there.

[Heat]

Why didn't God instill in them the winning argument in the first place instead of letting his follower's arguments about creationism evolve over time in response to selection pressures experienced in the arena of ideas ??

Come on now you know they aren't going to be swayed by that..