For those who want proof of the exodus

[Simon Moon]

I'm an anti-theist regardless of exodus being factual or fictional, my anti-theism is in no way associated with or connected to the truth of this...or any other narrative in your holy books.

I'm an anti-theist if god doesn't exist.
I'm an anti-theist if god does exist.
I'm an anti-theist if exodus didn't happen.
I'm an anti-theist is exodus did happen.

Understand?

Now that I've worked you up into an apologetic frenzy, would you like to reassert the claim you made earlier...that I have failed to substantiate my assessment of you?

So, you're a liar for atheism. And not just a liar and not just an atheist, but an anti-theist. Got it. Now we understand each other.

You made an interesting comment (highlighted above), and I'd like to explore this for a moment.

You say you're anti-theist REGARDLESS of the truth of the Exodus account. My understanding of this statement is that EVEN IF the Exodus account were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have actually occurred just as the Bible records it, you would still be against theism. IOW, the truth of the Bible would make no difference, you would still be opposed to any belief in God whatsoever.

Even if God does exist and you were certain of this beyond a shadow of a doubt, you would still be "anti" or against belief in him?

Do I understand you correctly?

And no, you have not substantiated your claim that I am a liar.

Me thinks you do not know the definition of anti-theism. 

Even if the Bible were completely true, and the god depicted in the stories, actually existed, Rhytm (and I) would still be an anti-theist.

Accepting that the Bible god existed, and the Bible stories are true, does not automatically mean that a former atheist would worship said god, or believe that religion is a good thing.

Quite the opposite. One of the worst possibilities I could think of, would be if the psychopathic, genocidal, slavery condoning, eternal punishment for finite crime, Bible god actually existed.

[The Grand Nudger]

Uh-oh, we've outed ourselves as unwinnable souls.  Now he's not going to waste his time trying to convince us of "exodus". 

[athrock]

-and there we have it.  You thought that convincing me the exodus was factual was the same as convincing me in your faith.  

You..have just substantiated my claim, yet again.  It's almost as if I have my hand shoved up your ass, huh?

Your skills as a proctologist are not that well-developed, rhythm, but I do marvel that you enjoy it so much. We can leave that for another time.

I have not claimed that verifying the Exodus event is the same as convincing you to be a theist. If it were as simple as that, you could be a theist without the Hebrew scriptures.

[Cyberman]

What would have happened if Noah couldn't meet the deadline? Would this god have extended it a couple of weeks or whatever? At least Morgan Freeman waited for Steve Carell to finish building the boat before doing his thing, even if the only reason all the animals and onlookers were in any danger at all was precisely because the boat was being built.

Well, wouldn't you?

Wouldn't I what?

[Cyberman]

Hey, it's not my story. I didn't write any of it. I'd've written a better one if I had.

And it's not the story that I am calling into question but your insistence upon interpreting it in a literal manner. See the difference?

I see a desperate projection onto me of motives I've never espoused, if that's what you mean.

[athrock]

So, you're a liar for atheism. And not just a liar and not just an atheist, but an anti-theist. Got it. Now we understand each other.

You made an interesting comment (highlighted above), and I'd like to explore this for a moment.

You say you're anti-theist REGARDLESS of the truth of the Exodus account. My understanding of this statement is that EVEN IF the Exodus account were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have actually occurred just as the Bible records it, you would still be against theism. IOW, the truth of the Bible would make no difference, you would still be opposed to any belief in God whatsoever.

Even if God does exist and you were certain of this beyond a shadow of a doubt, you would still be "anti" or against belief in him?

Do I understand you correctly?

And no, you have not substantiated your claim that I am a liar.

Me thinks you do not know the definition of anti-theism. 

Even if the Bible were completely true, and the god depicted in the stories, actually existed, Rhytm (and I) would still be an anti-theist.

Accepting that the Bible god existed, and the Bible stories are true, does not automatically mean that a former atheist would worship said god, or believe that religion is a good thing.

Quite the opposite. One of the worst possibilities I could think of, would be if the psychopathic, genocidal, slavery condoning, eternal punishment for finite crime, Bible god actually existed.

Actually, what you have written is a very acceptable definition of anti-theism.

So, the situation appears to be something like this:

We don't think that God exists; in fact, we're pretty sure he doesn't though we can't actually prove that, of course. But even if he did, we wouldn't want to obey, serve, worship, love or follow him because we believe him to be unworthy of those things.


Unfortunately, that's not much of a justification for being an atheist (much less and anti-theist) because there are plenty of options/reason for being theists without referencing the Judeo-Christian scriptures at all.

So, your anti-theism seems a bit myopic, IMO.

[Cyberman]

There is no fool like a willing fool, assrock.  Tell me....do you believe Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs really happened, too?

Do you believe that every Catholic priest abuses children, Min?

Or just the one that abused you?

... wow. Feeeeel that good ole xtian lurve and moral high ground, folks.

[The Grand Nudger]

I have not claimed that verifying the Exodus event is the same as convincing you to be a theist. If it were as simple as that, you could be a theist without the Hebrew scriptures.

Oh no....?  Then how would any of that nonsense simon quoted above be true or follow?  That was the route by which you felt you could call me a liar, remember?  Stop shriveling (it hurts my hand when you tighten up).  

So, now that you know that your failure to convince me of the exodus has nothing to do with any need on my part for the exodus to be false...would you like to take another crack at explaining why you've failed to convince me?


Meh

But even if he did, we wouldn't want to obey, serve, worship, love or follow him because we believe him to be unworthy of those things.

At least you got that part semi-right. Progress.

[Cyberman]

And I feel you have grown quite boring in your old age. It's like you don't even enjoy jerking off all over the forum anymore, like it's just a chore for you.

Well, their a new rule that says one can be bann for that very thing even if no rules were ever broken.. If 'the man' catch me having too much fun they might just do that.

Stow that bullshit here and now, Drich. Lie about your magic book all you like; but lie about the motivations of the same people that you depend on to make sure you can keep posting your inanities here and I'll personally kick your arse so hard, your buddy xtians will feel it.

[Simon Moon]

Me thinks you do not know the definition of anti-theism. 

Even if the Bible were completely true, and the god depicted in the stories, actually existed, Rhytm (and I) would still be an anti-theist.

Accepting that the Bible god existed, and the Bible stories are true, does not automatically mean that a former atheist would worship said god, or believe that religion is a good thing.

Quite the opposite. One of the worst possibilities I could think of, would be if the psychopathic, genocidal, slavery condoning, eternal punishment for finite crime, Bible god actually existed.

Actually, what you have written is a very acceptable definition of anti-theism.

So, the situation appears to be something like this:

We don't think that God exists; in fact, we're pretty sure he doesn't though we can't actually prove that, of course. But even if he did, we wouldn't want to obey, serve, worship, love or follow him because we believe him to be unworthy of those things.


Unfortunately, that's not much of a justification for being an atheist (much less and anti-theist) because there are plenty of options/reason for being theists without referencing the Judeo-Christian scriptures at all.

So, your anti-theism seems a bit myopic, IMO.

My justification for being an atheist is lack of: demonstrable and falsifiable evidence, reasoned argument, and sound and valid logic to support the god claim.

My anti-theism has very little to do with whether god actually exist or not. Religions are dangerous, with or without a god existing.

My anti-theism is strongest with regards to the three Abrahamic religions more than other religions, because they are the most dangerous.