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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 7:51 pm
(February 3, 2016 at 7:47 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Actually not all causal relationships are temporal ones.

Oh, a statement backed up by no factual follow up statement. SURPRISE!
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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 7:52 pm
(February 3, 2016 at 7:50 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: .... don't use such big words! Lol. I don't even know what you're asking.  Blush
Such false modesty! You're smarter than you let on.
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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 7:53 pm
Haha, if only you were right Chad....
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 7:54 pm
(February 3, 2016 at 7:50 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I didn't say anyone had to take it seriously.

Is that not a rather shallow way of avoiding truth for religion's rather false version of truth?

Or rather, cognitive dissonation?
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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 7:55 pm
(February 3, 2016 at 7:47 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:
(February 3, 2016 at 7:43 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: How does an atemporal being square with the notion of causality - which requires a temporal framework?  How is this not a case of special pleasing, and why should anyone take it seriously?

Actually not all causal relationships are temporal ones.

Care to expand upon that?
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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 7:55 pm
(February 3, 2016 at 7:47 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Actually not all causal relationships are temporal ones.

What would be an example of a non temporal causal relationship?
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 7:55 pm
(February 3, 2016 at 7:51 pm)Kitan Wrote:
(February 3, 2016 at 7:47 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Actually not all causal relationships are temporal ones.
Oh, a statement backed up by no factual follow up statement.  SURPRISE!
I notice you didn't raise the same objection with Cthulu. Maybe you should ask why causality requires a temporal framework. But that's to be expected...challenge the theist but not the atheist.
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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 7:56 pm
(February 3, 2016 at 7:55 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:
(February 3, 2016 at 7:47 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Actually not all causal relationships are temporal ones.

Care to expand upon that?

Formal and final causes.
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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 7:57 pm
(February 3, 2016 at 7:54 pm)Kitan Wrote:
(February 3, 2016 at 7:50 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I didn't say anyone had to take it seriously.

Is that not a rather shallow way of avoiding truth for religion's rather false version of truth?

Or rather, cognitive dissonation?

I don't see how. I feel confident enough in my beliefs that other people not believing it doesn't bother me. That's all there is to it.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 7:59 pm
(February 3, 2016 at 7:50 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(February 3, 2016 at 7:43 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: How does an atemporal being square with the notion of causality - which requires a temporal framework?  How is this not a case of special pleasing, and why should anyone take it seriously?

I didn't say anyone had to take it seriously. It is what I personally believe, but f you don't believe it, that is 100% fine by me. 

As for your first question.... don't use such big words! Lol. I don't even know what you're asking.  Blush

Atemporal frameworks lack time, therefore, the concepts of "before" and "after" are incoherent in such a framework. Causality is concerned with causes and effects, which under our understanding, the former must occur before the latter. Causality is therefore incompatible with atemporal frameworks.
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