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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 25, 2016 at 8:21 pm
Whatev, when anyone says God, we have to go by the dictionary definition.
Which is why I'm now a strong atheist.
(Who thinks God of the bible might be real?)
If you are pertaining to another version, the onus is on you to specify your alternate definition.
Same goes for Rob. Same goes for theists.
Theists, don't go extrapolating and make him out to be something else.
Otherwise you are not talking about God, just some other version you made up because you aren't satisfied with the one your belief system is based on.
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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 25, 2016 at 8:48 pm
But that's the beauty of English, it never stops evolving to fit and reflect what we want to say. You keep your dictionary. (I'll just sit in the corner and talk to myself.)
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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 26, 2016 at 6:34 am
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(May 25, 2016 at 11:55 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: For me to adopt the antitheist stance that there are no gods I would first need to know what is meant by the word "god". Indeed. The ignostic position is crucial, its importance can't be overstated.
Quote:If that is something out there and eternal with total causal control over everything and the decider supreme over moral matters .. then that is just ridiculous.
Once again, agreed. I find myself antitheistic (under the primary definition) for specific gods (eg. abrahamic, hindi, gaian) as there are often reasonably well-formed definitions. They may differ slightly from believer to believer but there are aspects (e.g. omni-traits, half-elephant, the world is a single organism) that are clearly fallacious and can be used as a concrete basis for opposing statements to the theistic claims of existence.
Quote:But some theists hold more nuanced notions and I'm not ready to say they are wrong.
Yep. But once again, the ignostic position applies: these gods are often so vaguely defined, in an attempt to make them ineffable/transcendent or whatever current woo-phrase is applicable, that the attempt at definition fails to provide qualifiable attributes for the theistic claims. At that stage I just have to hold up my hands and let them know that I have no idea what they're talking about. For some reason this often surprises or offends people.
Quote:So I'm just a garden variety atheist holding no belief in any god I've heard described, but not ready to render a categorical pronouncement based on so little.
As am I, in principle but come at me with talking snakes, supernatural good-luck, super-consciousnesses and the like and there'll be active opposition on my part.
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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 26, 2016 at 6:53 am
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Yes. I'm ignostic because my response to:
"Do you believe in god?"
is always
"What do you mean by god?"
In other words, the question is never sufficient on its own to answer.
"The universe mannnnnn": "Yes"
"Everyone knows what a god is": Repeat request
"You know...": Repeat request
"The god of the bible": "No"
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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 26, 2016 at 7:44 am
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Quote:"The universe mannnnnn": "Yes"
See, I'd go a different way with that one. I'd still say no. Though I'd mentioned that I do believe in lukewarm equivocations and inanity.
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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 26, 2016 at 10:48 pm
I would argue that anybody who comes to this forum to put their arguments forth, always imply one of the God's who they've been brought up to believe in.
Sticking up for Zeus or Odin these days is like admitting you've still got Abba albums in the house.
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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 30, 2016 at 12:41 am
(May 19, 2016 at 2:01 pm)AgnosticMan123 Wrote: Can anyone here persuade or convert me from being agnostic to being atheist?
here's a little hint
***lowers voice to a confidential whisper
find out the difference between philosophy and theology.
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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 30, 2016 at 8:06 am
You can remain happily ignorant as far as I am concerned.
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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 30, 2016 at 10:53 am
I feel a large trait of most Atheists I've met is that the don't seem to be very evangelical.
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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 30, 2016 at 10:30 pm
To me, agnosticism is the living end like Buddhism (if I may use poetic license).
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