Talking of Beef......anyone know what they're doing with the carcass?
I hear Gorilla meat can be a bit of a delicacy.
I hear Gorilla meat can be a bit of a delicacy.
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Gorilla killed
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 (June 1, 2016 at 11:22 am)Chad32 Wrote: I know tranquilizers aren't as fast working in real life as in movies, but unless the Gorilla was actively torturing the kid or something, I don't think lethal force was needed. I also know he could have killed the kid instantly too, but I don't think you should kill something because a bad thing might happen. The gorilla was dragging the child through the water at high speed in a way likely to kill the child or at least traumatise it, there was no option but to kill the gorilla, unfortunate though that was. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.  Quote:"And many urged authorities to hold the boy's parents criminally responsible" With this I agree. If the parents had let the kid run out in the street, who then is responsible?
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My parents raised 6 kids and none of them "got away".
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-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy (June 1, 2016 at 11:53 am)IATIA Wrote: My parents raised 6 kids and none of them "got away".Well I raised 3 and 1 did regularly. You'd go one way he'd go another. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis. 
Kids are all different. But I think there is enough blame to go around. If this kid had a habit of running off, they should either have a leash and damn the haters, or hold his hand at all times. The zoo should have enclosuresome that don't have toddler sized holes in the fences.
Can you imagine just sitting in your house, minding your own business, and someone breaks in, and the cops decide to shoot YOU to protect the intruder? On the one hand, of course if it was my child is would want her safety placed firts, but on the other hand, if I step back and try to see the larger picture, humans killed another endangered animale to save an overpopulated one. Of course we are wired to value human lives over other lives, but that doesn't make it right. And yeah, the parents should accept some portion of the blame. Not sure if anyone should be charged, but they are not 100% blameless.
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This was just a sad situation all around. Anyone who has kids can not honestly say there hasn't been a moment of distraction where a kid got in to something or disappeared for a moment, however, at a place like zoo (or any public place where risk/danger is increased) parents MUST be at their highest alert at all times and focused on the kids. Not being there and knowing all of the details it is difficult to pass blame immediately on the parent as i feel I'm drawing conclusions on speculation.
The zoo is not at fault for the child getting in to the enclosure. They do their best to provide an enjoyable experience for visitors while keeping both guests and animals safe. There is no doubt in my mind that the enclosure was safe. I am interested to know if this mother was distracted by her phone. The number of people I see daily constantly staring at their phones while driving, walking in stores, basically everywhere is appalling. Those things become our world. As far as killing the gorilla, this was a very difficult call and one that I do not envy the keeper having to make. However, it's clear to me that because that call was made the life of the child was felt to be in serious risk and was placed at a higher value than the gorilla. From the video it looks like Harambe was "claiming" or even protecting the child. I'm not a gorilla expert, but from my understanding if that gorilla felt this new property of his was going to be taken from him, the outcome could be catastrophic and even others could be harmed. All in all a bad situation. I am curious what the responses would be today if the video showed the gorilla tearing the limbs off the child or striking the child. We are talking about a 450lb gorilla with the strength of probably 5-10 grown men vs. a 40lb 3 year old. I'm quite surprised the pulling him by the leg through the water didn't cause any lasting harm to the boy. We could play the what if game all day, but all in all a SAD situation.
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 RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 12:10 pm
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(June 1, 2016 at 1:35 am)Maelstrom Wrote: First of all, I am surprised this has not been posted on the forum. Yes there was, and they have explained it many times. Tranquilizers take several minutes to take effect. In which time, being hit by a dart would only further agitate the gorilla, who could have crushed the little boy's skull in a second.
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-walsh  (June 1, 2016 at 11:40 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:(June 1, 2016 at 11:22 am)Chad32 Wrote: I know tranquilizers aren't as fast working in real life as in movies, but unless the Gorilla was actively torturing the kid or something, I don't think lethal force was needed. I also know he could have killed the kid instantly too, but I don't think you should kill something because a bad thing might happen. I did see that he dragged the kid out kind of roughly, but he didn't seem to be trying to drown the kid.
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