Hell and God cant Co-exist.

[popsthebuilder]

Constable Dorfl,

I commend your efforts here. Really.

you bring up good points. I'll address them as well as I can.

I subcribe to the belief that the 6 days in the creation account are aeons. Admittedly this is more aligned with the Qur'an, but isn't refuted exactly, by the bible. As far as stars being simple fixed lights; I would need to read the verses and surrounding verses that state such in order to give an honest opinion.

I haven't read where it equates man to GOD. It does state that we have dominion over the rest of life, and though we generally abuse this, it is observable. No where does it say that man nor life adapts or changes over time due to habitat.

I've heard of people claim the bible states that the earth is flat, but haven't read it for myself. And I'm pretty sure it was early scientists who originally insisted the earth was flat.

As far as the flood is concerned; either the flood of Noah was over an entire region( middle east) and was interpreted as the whole earth because it covered the whole earth as far as they knew, or it was world wide due to an ice age. This is pheasable as we do not know when it happened, but we do know there have been multiple ice ages on earth.
The bible isn't for the explaining away of physical phenomena, that's what science is for. The bible is for the direction of man through the conscience, for the benefit of all life.
GOD exists in all life.


Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[popsthebuilder]

In order for one to compartmentalize things they must divide them. I do neither, thanks.

That's what you tell yourself - it's your subconscious way of dealing with the fact, that your different beliefs are inconsistent with one another. If you divided them - you might be able to look at them closely and understand them. And then you'd have to see how scientific facts are incompatible with your theology. But that would hurt, so you just throw it all together into one incoherent mess and pretend, that you understand the universe... Hey - whatever helps you sleep at night. lol [emoji14]

That's odd; I thought I was just accused of dividing things as is needed for compartmentalizing. Now, apparently, I need to divide them to understand and face them. Quite the 180°.

Whatever your point was, it is officially null and void as you have shown that you are simply speculating and grasping at thin air.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[Homeless Nutter]

That's odd; I thought I was just accused of dividing things as is needed for compartmentalizing. Now, apparently, I need to divide them to understand and face them. Quite the 180°.

LOL... None of that has anything to do with the fact, that if there was a god, science would be impossible, as I already showed you. Nice try, changing the subject, though.

Whatever your point was, it is officially null and void as you have shown that you are simply speculating and grasping at thin air.

Uhm... Is that your way of backing out of the discussion, without admitting, that you have no answer to the problem of god, who changes the laws of physics and viability of science? Very sly...

Oh, well - you're free to go. I wouldn't want to put your flimsy fantasy under too much stress...

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.

[Cyberman]

Miss Scarlet in the ballroom with the candlestick.

[popsthebuilder]

Homeless Nutter,

How can you justify your claim that if there was a GOD science would be impossible? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to me.

Wasn't changing any subject.

Someone contradicted themself within two back to back posts. I called them on it.

What problem of GOD? Why do you say it changes laws of physics and the viability of science. You are really making no sense.

I'm free to go wherever I want. But I'm still here. I have no fantasy and can take more scrutiny than you could ever muster to be honest.




Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[GUBU]

Constable Dorfl,

I commend your efforts here. Really.

you bring up good points. I'll address them as well as I can.

I subcribe to the belief that the 6 days in the creation account are aeons. Admittedly this is more aligned with the Qur'an, but isn't refuted exactly, by the bible. As far as stars being simple fixed lights; I would need to read the verses and surrounding verses that state such in order to give an honest opinion.

I haven't read where it equates man to GOD. It does state that we have dominion over the rest of life, and though we generally abuse this, it is observable. No where does it say that man nor life adapts or changes over time due to habitat.

I've heard of people claim the bible states that the earth is flat, but haven't read it for myself. And I'm pretty sure it was early scientists who originally insisted the earth was flat.

As far as the flood is concerned; either the flood of Noah was over an entire region( middle east) and was interpreted as the whole earth because it covered the whole earth as far as they knew, or it was world wide due to an ice age. This is pheasable as we do not know when it happened, but we do know there have been multiple ice ages on earth.
The bible isn't for the explaining away of physical phenomena, that's what science is for. The bible is for the direction of man through the conscience, for the benefit of all life.
GOD exists in all life.


Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

We are going in circles here, you provide baseless assertions, I rebut them wit evidence, you restate the same, now debunked, evidence, I rebut them again with more evidence specific to christianity, you claim the bible doesn't say what it says.

So I'll just wash my hands off you and leave you to your delusion that science agrees with your imaginary friend.

[Cyberman]

As far as the flood is concerned; either the flood of Noah was over an entire region( middle east) and was interpreted as the whole earth because it covered the whole earth as far as they knew, or it was world wide due to an ice age.

Those are the only options, huh?

[IATIA]

As far as the flood is concerned; either the flood of Noah was over an entire region( middle east) and was interpreted as the whole earth because it covered the whole earth as far as they knew, or it was world wide due to an ice age.

There is not enough water to raise the sea level 5 miles high. A local flood could not cover mountains without rising faster than it is flowing away and it certainly could not hold that crest for any length of time.

[Homeless Nutter]

How can you justify your claim that if there was a GOD science would be impossible? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to me.

Oh, yes - it does. Did you even read my explanation - it's all clear there, if you take the trouble to read and comprehend it, instead of dismissing it out of hand, simply because it doesn't agree with your magic-based view of reality . I think you're being disingenuous.

But sure - let me repeat myself: if there was a god, who had a will and emotions (like love, for example), who created and had direct control over everything that goes on in the universe, so that he could bend it and change it to his will, whenever he found it necessary(that's what "omnipotent" means, you know), without the need to let us, humans know - then how could you be sure, that anything we find out through scientific methods is true, reliable and constant, and not just a temporary side effect of god's will? What are you suggesting - that we should pray, while doing science, begging god not to f*ck with the laws of physics right now and to NOT do any miracles? lol

How can the fastest speed possible in the universe be the speed of light, if there's a god who can change it, if he needs to make a miracle? If god's omnipotent - there is no fastest speed possible - because god can always go faster. How can you base calculations on something that can change at any moment, if god decides that it should? You see - the way science works - if we measure speed of light now, it will always be the same, can't be changed. But IT CAN CHANGE, if god wills it to - so we can't say it's the fastest speed possible, can we? Of course - you probably don't realize how important the speed of light is for science, because you seem to be scientifically illiterate, but let me just assure you, that if that constant couldn't be established - most of modern astro-physics would be useless - just wild guessing, not science.

And it's the same with all laws of physics - how can you be sure, that god did not design the world in such a way, that physics work one way, when you're looking and a completely different way, when you're not? The scientific universe doesn't have a mind, a will, or a "plan" - there's no reason to believe, that physics will change, or that miracles will happen for our benefit, because universe doesn't give a sh*t about us and what we think. But your god allegedly does give a sh*t, and changes physics, to show us magic, like biblical flood, walking on water, or waking the dead.

How come when it's convenient for you, believers - "god works in mysterious ways", but right now you're trying to tell me that god's creation and his will are transparent to you and can't be changed, so we can measure it and it will remain the same, always? Are you thick, or just pretend you can't see the problem, because it's too difficult and painful to face it?

Wasn't changing any subject.

Yes, you were. You started talking nonsense about "dividing" your beliefs and sh*t, because you were stumped by the incompatibility of your belief in god with science. It's ok to admit it - we're all friends here. And we all understand, that it must be very difficult to argue, from a position, that's utterly wrong and irrational.

I have no fantasy and can take more scrutiny than you could ever muster to be honest.

Well, if by that you mean, that I can't examine your head, while it's hidden deep inside your rectum - then we're in agreement.

[popsthebuilder]

Homeless Nutter,

You're missing the point of omnipotence and omniscience together. GOD has power and intellect beyond full comprehension. It is in no way outside the limitless limits of the One Creator GOD to both have utter control of all and have set it into motion prior to time itself. In other words; GOD wouldn't have to alter anything whatsoever for His will to be done. As far as the things you mentioned you seem to take them quite literally. I can't do that and I'm said to have faith, so what is your excuse?

You're pretty much just rambling a what if scenario that has absolutely no likelyhood based on a faulty logic that GOD would have to do any thing any certain way. I'm not saying GOD works in mysterious ways; I'm saying your logic is illogical.



Faith in selfless Unity for Good.