Can I just say, and I'm just being honest...

[Fireball]

CIJS,

All you crazy drivers need to stop honking your horns out of mere impatience.  The freaking tool is not there as an extension of your anger issues.

I lived in Florida long enough to know why they're honking. FL drivers have no patience for slower drivers in the left lane. If you want to go the speed limit, that's perfectly fine, but the left lane is for faster traffic and passing only.

Heh, I lived in Florida for a little over 3 years, on and off, processing spacecraft for launch. When there are signs on the freeway that say, "Minimum speed 40 MPH", there is a reason.

I commuted on the 405 (California) freeway for decades, and I can tell you that if you aren't doing at least 75 in the #1 or carpool lane, you are going to get harassed. That's high beam flashing, horn blowing, and tailpipe sniffing.

[Seraphina]

CIJS -

I can't believe you're real. I'm agog. Also, you have great teeth.

-Teresa

[J a c k]

CIJS?

Everyone has one, or two, or three of those. The ones that feel good but it’s ok to see them go. They fit like a sock and they keep you warm, and it doesn’t bother you to take them off again. It was expected. Or maybe it hurts a little, but it’s nice. It ran its course.

But not everyone is you and you never said goodbye. I can’t stop calling you by that nickname in my head when I see your name around. There was no goodbye. There was no closing door.

You are The Exception.

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PS... Hey-ro says hi.

[SteelCurtain]

The Exception sounds like a dystopian future AI.

[c172]

Or a good reality show.

[Edwardo Piet]

The Exception sounds like a dystopian future AI.

I have a new name for my next AoE AI that I create

[Foxaèr]

CIJS,

Your gorgeous, you've got a cute little ass, and it doesn't bother me that you're a crew member at McDonald's. I get the Mocha Frappe just so that I can see you.

[Foxaèr]

CIJS,

https://goo.gl/images/cGZnL1

[Kernel Sohcahtoa]

CIJS,

The activity in the thread, Actual Infinite in Reality, has been interesting.  There have been attempts to invalidate mathematical axioms and concepts, such as set theory (infinite).  The opponents of the possibility of an actual infinity existing in reality claim that the concept leads to absurdities and contradictions.  From my understanding, the opponents of the possibility of an actual infinity existing in reality claim that infinite set theory cannot be used to justify this possibility and that this possibility must be examined via means of logic and reasoning that are independent of mathematics; yet, they derive their alleged contradictions via basic mathematical operations, which are grounded in set theory (we need to know what collections of objects that the particular objects belong to in order to understand their properties and if performing the operations will be valid/invalid), and so, they have invited math, along with set theory (finite and infinite), into the discussion. Thus, IMO, they seem to be selectively using math: they use math that supports their position (while claiming that it isn't math), while ignoring/dismissing math that challenges their position.


More importantly, they have incorrectly applied mathematical concepts.  For example, it seems that they treat infinite as a number (infinity is not a number; it is a concept) that obeys basic arithmetic laws; they also seem to think that the rules of finite sets should be exactly the same as the rules of infinite sets because that seems to fit with their intuition. Consequently, the alleged contradictions that they have generated are the result of a misapplication of fundamental mathematical ideas.  Hence, if they are going to successfully reach a contradiction, then they need to strictly adhere to  mathematical definitions, theorems, lemmas, concepts, etc., because any contradiction that is reached via incorrectly applying mathematical ideas is invalid.

P.S. This thread is unfortunate.  It had the potential to be an exciting intellectual adventure that encourages people to challenge their preconceptions. However, it seems that some posters are more interested in confirming their preconceptions; they don't seem to be interested in learning.

[Edwardo Piet]

P.S. This thread is unfortunate.  It had the potential to be an exciting intellectual adventure that encourages people to challenge their preconceptions. However, it seems that some posters are more interested in confirming their preconceptions; they don't seem to be interested in learning.

Teaching is important too though

I really really like you Kernel you're an intelligent and very nice guy... but I do sometimes get a "Everything is an opinion. Nothing is true outside mathematics. Let's all just be diplomatic." vibe from you. Some people are just flat out right and others are just flat out wrong and truth is objective and absolute. Isn't that what you find beautiful about mathematics? The fact that there is a right and wrong answer to math and it's not all "anything goes"? It has real truth in it, in a beautiful way. I feel the same is true about logical truths, and I personally believe all truth is ultimately logical and others certainly can be found to be wrong and yourself to be right via the path of logic. Proof by contradiction is one example. The whole reason that math has such power is because it is logical. Even empirical evidence and intuition works via inductive logic.

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Thus, IMO, they seem to be selectively using math: they use math that supports their position (while claiming that it isn't math), while ignoring/dismissing math that challenges their position.

That's apologists for ya. Some of them won't even accept that 0.999...=1 lol.