hate the sin, love the sinner

[Drich]

Again, you seem to be confused. The bible represents 2 religions not one. As the laws and precepts found in the OT are not compatible with the laws and precepts found in the New, and vise versa. An OT jew is an OT jew because he follows the laws and precepts of OT judism. Did you know there are currently NO Practicing OT Jews left?

Like wise a NT Christian is a NT Christian because he practices and follows the laws and precepts of NT Christiianity. So why doesn't a NT Christian have to follow said laws? Technically he does if like the OT jew his righteousness came from how closly he could live under the law. But, here's the thing as a NT Christian we are not judge by how we live by the law, but by how Christ lived by the law, because God is judging Christ's acts in place of ours when we put on the atonement offered by Him. We take off our sin and christ wears/wore them (on the cross/That is what that was all about) and He gives us His righteousness in return to wear before God in our final judgement.

So again, two completely different religions, two completely different ways God looks at those people under that covenant.

I personally do not have any inclination to judge if or how long you will remain in Hell, however ever I completely support whatever God decides.

So you didn't really read what I said. Cool.

NT followers still lack any love for people like me. Save it for someone else. The fact that you think I deserve your fantasy hell answers all my questions about how you feel.

So you didn't really read what I wrote..

Again, I don't have feeling one way or the other on what you personally choose for yourself. However I do support God's desire to hold you to your choice.

Again, YOUR Relationship with God has little if nothing to do with me or my desire or inclinations towards God, The only way I can even be apart of that equation is if you ask me to help you find Him for yourself. ANYTHING else is a copout/excuse or a poorly reason judgement day defense strategy. (what you think you will say to God in defense for the life you lived.) If I can see through your crap, how much more will an all knowing God?

[Jesster]

So you didn't really read what I said. Cool.

NT followers still lack any love for people like me. Save it for someone else. The fact that you think I deserve your fantasy hell answers all my questions about how you feel.

So you didn't really I wrote..

Again, I don't have feeling one way or the other on what you personally choose for yourself. However I do support God's desire to hold you to your choice.

Again, YOUR Relationship with God has little if nothing to do with me or my desire or inclinations towards God, The only way I can even be apart of that equation is if you ask me to help you find Him for yourself. ANYTHING else is a copout/excuse or a poorly reason judgement day defense strategy. (what you think you will say to God in defense for the life you lived.) If I can see through your crap, how much more will an all knowing God?

And all I see there is "I don't hate you; the guy I worship hates you." You're guilty of hatred by association.

I'm sure there's another excuse headed my way, too.

Also, fuck you for assuming who I am is a choice.

[Gemini]

I personally do not have any inclination to judge if or how long you will remain in Hell, however ever I completely support whatever God decides.

God is sitting right next to me, and he just breathed a huge sigh of relief when he heard that you support his decision. You don't know how much he was stressing over that.

[The Grand Nudger]

I love it when a christian explains christianity as draping himself in a dead jew to hide his inequities from judgement......then babbes about how others will need to mount a defense of their very lives before the same.

[Athene]

God simply identifies sin, which is why He and people who follow Him CAN Indeed separate sin from sinner.

That said there are only two, Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit (which you can not come back from) and not forgiving others as you have been forgiven (which you can amend by learning to forgive) These top His list.

Do you care to expound upon the blasphemy bit? I've never gotten a clear answer from any Christian theist as to what that entails, exactly.

[RoadRunner79]

So you didn't really I wrote..

Again, I don't have feeling one way or the other on what you personally choose for yourself. However I do support God's desire to hold you to your choice.

Again, YOUR Relationship with God has little if nothing to do with me or my desire or inclinations towards God, The only way I can even be apart of that equation is if you ask me to help you find Him for yourself. ANYTHING else is a copout/excuse or a poorly reason judgement day defense strategy. (what you think you will say to God in defense for the life you lived.) If I can see through your crap, how much more will an all knowing God?

And all I see there is "I don't hate you; the guy I worship hates you." You're guilty of hatred by association.

I'm sure there's another excuse headed my way, too.

Also, fuck you for assuming who I am is a choice.

I don't hate you Jester, and I don't believe that God does either.

[Jesster]

And all I see there is "I don't hate you; the guy I worship hates you." You're guilty of hatred by association.

I'm sure there's another excuse headed my way, too.

Also, fuck you for assuming who I am is a choice.

I don't hate you Jester, and I don't believe that God does either.

Oh sure. But I'm going to go ahead and make a big assumption that you believe that your god will send me to his torture dungeon. That fills me with so much tingly love. Thank you for taking his side. You obviously have nothing against me either.

[Minimalist]

So you didn't really read what I wrote..

Or care since you always write the same stupid shit.

[Gemini]

Oh sure. But I'm going to go ahead and make a big assumption that you believe that your god will send me to his torture dungeon. That fills me with so much tingly love. Thank you for taking his side. You obviously have nothing against me either.

Ooh, does God have a paddle with "SLUT" embossed on it in reverse in his torture dungeon? He seems like the kind of guy who would have one.

[Drich]

So you didn't really I wrote..

Again, I don't have feeling one way or the other on what you personally choose for yourself. However I do support God's desire to hold you to your choice.

Again, YOUR Relationship with God has little if nothing to do with me or my desire or inclinations towards God, The only way I can even be apart of that equation is if you ask me to help you find Him for yourself. ANYTHING else is a copout/excuse or a poorly reason judgement day defense strategy. (what you think you will say to God in defense for the life you lived.) If I can see through your crap, how much more will an all knowing God?

And all I see there is "I don't hate you; the guy I worship hates you." You're guilty of hatred by association.

I'm sure there's another excuse headed my way, too.

Also, fuck you for assuming who I am is a choice.

Again, It does not seem to me that you've read what I have written...

It's not about WHO you are. It about how you identify with your sin. Do you adopt and make excuse for your sin fusing sinner with sin, or do you separate yourself from it?

That sport, is the Choice I and the bible identifies.

Again, We are all sinners all the time. The difference between the saved and unsaved are how we relate to the sin we are enslaved to. Do we love it or hate it?

Which brings me back to the illustration with addiction I made in the beginning. The one about Loving the sinner hating the sin. In that we can love an individual and hate their addiction.

Using that illustration, and applying your take on it, You are saying because you are addicted to a drug, who you are, was, and always will be, how you are defined as an individual.

If this were true, then if I were to say the names Hendricks, Presley, Jackson, Prince all you see is a list of dead addicts, that they can't be anything more than their addictions. When even in the world of moral relativism this is not true. these names represented the pinicale of a musical career. That we can love the art they made in the music they left, and lament the evil that ended their lives all too soon.

Again, separating sin from sinner. Which again is the choice we must all make for ourselves. are we more than the sins we are chained to? or does our sin define all that we are?

This is why I said YOUR CHOICE/YOUR RELATIONSHIP with God has Nothing to do with me. I do not see nor associate people with their sin, nor do I have the wherewithal to judge one better than another. It is not my place to decide for you whether or not you can self identify past the sin, that you (like me) are stuck in.