Christian Self-censorship of Dirty Words

[mihoda]

So, there are things that exist that God didn't create?

And how do you square that with the neuroscience that shows our ability to control our impulses and make proper decisions is dependent upon the structure of our frontal lobe?  Every one of us is just a brain injury away from being unable to properly moderate our behavior.  How is it fair for God to judge people on their decisions if he made it easier for some to control themselves than for others?

That will be taken into account as well. Like I said, it's about what's in our hearts. If someone who is legitimately insane, for example, blacks out and hurts someone, it doesn't necessarily mean they are bad people.

That sounds suspiciously like moral culpability has more to do with capability than arbitrary definitions of sin.

[Catholic_Lady]

That will be taken into account as well. Like I said, it's about what's in our hearts. If someone who is legitimately insane, for example, blacks out and hurts someone, it doesn't necessarily mean they are bad people.

That sounds suspiciously like moral culpability has more to do with capability than arbitrary definitions of sin.

Yes, that is exactly moral culpability. 

The way we see it, sin is always sin. But a particular person's culpability for committing that sin can change. 

To make an analogy, murdering someone is illegal. But if the killer is found clinically insane, his culpability will be lessened and he will be declared innocent for reason of insanity and get a much lighter sentence. The murder he committed was still illegal as all murder is always illegal, but culpability can change depending on things like his state of mind, etc.

[Sterben]

I use swear words when the situation calls for it. Ex; I'm driving and I see an idiot on the road. I will often say out-loud, even if others are in the car "You've got to be fucking kidding me, this fucking cunt can't drive".

[The Grand Nudger]

Doesn;t the idea of reduced moral culpability make the whole divine judgement song and dance a bit of a charade?  

I mean...if I'm a broken creature, driven to sin and incapable of escaping it - then clearly we get a mulligan on the whole thing.  Dirty words seem awful paltry, in particular. No need to kill any jews.

[Drich]

Do you ever notice that some people, usually extremely religious people, just totally lose their shit when dirty words are spoken? You can be talking about sensitive adult-subjects, like Trump's sexual assault, and they're totally fine with defending the Gropenfuhrer, but quote Trump by using the word 'pussy' in a sentence and suddenly YOU are the person who is beyond the pale.

Why is this? Why is propriety for some defined as a list of forbidden words? Why is it that words in the conversation clearly bother some people more than the heinous implications of the conversation?

Do you use the "N" word?

Why not?

Do you sit idle when someone is just using in a casual conversation?

Why not?

Can't you see you have similar prohibitions for the exact same reason, just with different parts of the Lexicon?

[Faith No More]

That will be taken into account as well. Like I said, it's about what's in our hearts. If someone who is legitimately insane, for example, blacks out and hurts someone, it doesn't necessarily mean they are bad people.

But it's not even about sane vs. insane. Some people just have more developed frontal lobes and are able to control their impulses better, but that doesn't mean the ones who aren't rise to the level of insanity. My question is, why would god create this objective moral standard for us to live up to and then give one person better tools than another to live up to that standard?

And that still doesn't address how "who you are in your heart" wasn't created by god. Did god not create everything?

[Faith No More]

Do you use the "N" word?

Why not?

Do you sit idle when someone is just using in a casual conversation?

Why not?

Can't you see you have similar prohibitions for the exact same reason, just with different parts of the Lexicon?

We don't use the n-word, because it will offend others. So, what you're saying is that it hurts god's feelings to say "pussy?"

How...human...

[Catholic_Lady]

That will be taken into account as well. Like I said, it's about what's in our hearts. If someone who is legitimately insane, for example, blacks out and hurts someone, it doesn't necessarily mean they are bad people.

But it's not even about sane vs. insane.  Some people just have more developed frontal lobes and are able to control their impulses better, but that doesn't mean the ones who aren't rise to the level of insanity.  My question is, why would god create this objective moral standard for us to live up to and then give one person better tools than another to live up to that standard?  

And that still doesn't address how "who you are in your heart" wasn't created by god.  Did god not create everything?

Sane vs insane was an extreme example to explain what I meant. And that is that having a better ability vs a lesser ability (for whatever reason) to turn down temptation is taken into account when measuring someone's character. But this does not change natural law (objective morality). I'm not sure if God "creating" natural law is necessarily the best way to put it. Natural law is simply in accordance with God's nature. God is good and God is love. Love can't be hate. God couldn't have "created" a world where natural law said that murder is moral, for example. 

Also, I wouldn't say God specifically/purposely created people to have more difficulty vs less difficulty with any particular thing. He simply allows nature to take its coarse. It's in our genetics to be better at some things and worse at other things, to have our strengths and to have our weaknesses. God isn't around micromanaging the type of people we are born as and what goes on inside the womb when DNA is coming together to create a new person. 

When I say "who we are in our hearts" I'm basically just talking about what type of person someone is - whether a good person or a bad person (to put it simply).  

That is measured based on the choices we make.... combined with our ability to make those choices, our knowledge, our intent, what is going on in our minds when we make them, etc. That's why I keep using the extreme example of an insane person. They may have done something really bad but if they were literally out of their minds and blacked out when they did it, it doesn't necessarily mean they are bad people.

[Catholic_Lady]

Do you use the "N" word?

Why not?

Do you sit idle when someone is just using in a casual conversation?

Why not?

Can't you see you have similar prohibitions for the exact same reason, just with different parts of the Lexicon?

We don't use the n-word, because it will offend others.  So, what you're saying is that it hurts god's feelings to say "pussy?"

How...human...

Hm? He didn't bring God into the equation at all. He was merely explaining how/why some people are offended with certain words by showing the OP that he too is probably a person who is offended by certain words.

[Faith No More]

Sane vs insane was an extreme example to explain what I meant. And that is that having a better ability vs a lesser ability (for whatever reason) to turn down temptation is taken into account when measuring someone's character. But this does not change natural law (objective morality). I'm not sure if God "creating" natural law is necessarily the best way to put it. Natural law is simply in accordance with God's nature. God is good and God is love. Love can't be hate. God couldn't have "created" a world where natural law said that murder is moral, for example. 

No? Then how come he's always killing in the OT? I suppose killing all the first born in Egypt and calling for people's death for things like working on the Sabbath are good and loving?

Also, I wouldn't say God specifically/purposely created people to have more difficulty vs less difficulty with any particular thing. He simply allows nature to take its coarse. It's in our genetics to be better at some things and worse at other things, to have our strengths and to have our weaknesses. God isn't around micromanaging the type of people we are born as and what goes on inside the womb when DNA is coming together to create a new person. 

When I say "who we are in our hearts" I'm basically just talking about what type of person someone is - whether a good person or a bad person (to put it simply).  

That is measured based on the choices we make.... combined with our ability to make those choices, our knowledge, our intent, what is going on in our minds when we make them, etc. That's why I keep using the extreme example of an insane person. They may have done something really bad but if they were literally out of their minds and blacked out when they did it, it doesn't necessarily mean they are bad people.

But we now know is that what you call letting "nature take its course" is that who we are is greatly shaped by the environment we grow up in. Our brains are reactive and develop based upon how we are raised. For instance, we know that children that are abused are much more likely to turn to violence themselves. Surely a kid is innocent when/she is born. They can't help who they are born to, so being raised by evil parents is not their fault. Yet that will largely determine who they become later in life. Why is God judging people for their character when much of what that character is is determined by circumstances beyond their control?