Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: April 26, 2024, 1:33 am

Thread Rating:
  • 1 Vote(s) - 1 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Atheism is irrational.
#31
RE: Atheism is irrational.
Quote:Whatever is rational utilizes either the senses, the intellect or both.

With you so far.

Quote:Atheism cannot deny God by using senses. For, to deny something by the use of senses is to search the whole physical reality, just as ruling out that there's no alien is to search all that is searchable which is impossible for us humans.

Rubbish. I deny that the core of the of the sun is made of chocolate custard. Why? Because it doesn't fit with supported theories and observed facts regarding the sun. There is no need to me to visit the sun in situ to defend my denial. Similarly, I don't need to search every little crook and nanny of the multiverse to maintain a sensible denial of God.

Quote:But God, by demonstration of His effects, shows that He is beyond physical reality. Hence, it is the more that God can't be denied by the senses.

Sorry, but you aren't allowed to prove God by way of pointing out that other things exist. The things you refer to as 'His effects' may have other explanations.

Quote:Atheism cannot deny God by the intellect. For, whatever we can deny by the use of our intellect, must be defined, just as we deny circle things as square, for the definition of circle is different from the definition of square. But, God can't be define, because if He has definition, He can't be God, because by demonstration of His existence through His effects, He is necessarily Boundless. Hence, God can't be denied by the intellect.

Ok, if I read this right (no warranties expressed or implied, as it's very close to gibberish), you're telling me that I can't deny God intellectually because God can't be defined. You then not only go on to define God as boundless, you make the unjustified claim that definition-less entities are to be accepted.

Quote:Therefore, if to be rational is able to use senses and our intellect, and that God can't be denied both by the senses and intellect, then atheism is necessarily irrational.

I only took two logic classes when I was at uni (back in the Bronze Age) but the upshot of both of them seemed to be, 'If your premises are bullshit, your conclusions with be bullshit.' Thank you for demonstrating the Bovine Excreta Principle.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
Reply
#32
RE: Atheism is irrational.
(November 20, 2016 at 11:36 pm)theologian Wrote: Whatever is rational utilizes either the senses, the intellect or both.

Atheism cannot deny God by using senses. For, to deny something by the use of senses is to search the whole physical reality, just as ruling out that there's no alien is to search all that is searchable which is impossible for us humans. But God, by demonstration of His effects, shows that He is beyond physical reality. Hence, it is the more that God can't be denied by the senses.

Atheism cannot deny God by the intellect. For, whatever we can deny by the use of our intellect, must be defined, just as we deny circle things as square, for the definition of circle is different from the definition of square. But, God can't be define, because if He has definition, He can't be God, because by demonstration of His existence through His effects, He is necessarily Boundless. Hence, God can't be denied by the intellect.

Therefore, if to be rational is able to use senses and our intellect, and that God can't be denied both by the senses and intellect, then atheism is necessarily irrational.
So , theism is rational because you use your senses?

All five major senses?

What does god smell like?

What does god taste like? Umami?

When you "feel" its presence do you feel tactile pressure on your skin? Does it tickle?

Do you hear a voice in the room with you? Not just the one in your head?

Do you see god? Do you see only its backside?

What about thermoception, kinesthetic sense , pain , balance ?
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!






Reply
#33
RE: Atheism is irrational.
Pretty sure gods smell like Fromunda cheese.

Reply
#34
RE: Atheism is irrational.
(November 21, 2016 at 6:35 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Pretty sure gods smell like Fromunda cheese.

So sayeth St. Spicoli , patron saint of pizza delivery!
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!






Reply
#35
RE: Atheism is irrational.
(November 20, 2016 at 11:36 pm)theologian Wrote: Atheism cannot deny God by the intellect. For, whatever we can deny by the use of our intellect, must be defined, just as we deny circle things as square, for the definition of circle is different from the definition of square. But, God can't be define, because if He has definition, He can't be God, because by demonstration of His existence through His effects, He is necessarily Boundless. Hence, God can't be denied by the intellect.

Well, that's a new one. "I can't even define what God is, so it's irrational for you to deny that I've met the burden of proof." Makes total sense.

And nice job claiming God cannot be defined and then defining God as boundless. Didn't really think this through, did you?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
Reply
#36
RE: Atheism is irrational.
OP, lets see.

We can't find or sense god and/or we can't define god, therefore god. Doesn't this work for any fantasy delusion?

Tell you what. Have god should up at my house (it should know where all the heathens live) and present itself as a talking burning bush. It's done this before so it should not be a problem (assuming you're a bible guy). When this happens I'll consider god.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
Reply
#37
RE: Atheism is irrational.
The OP claims God can't be defined while trying to define him into existence.

God bothers don't come off too well if what's required for belief is the removal of senses and intellect from the human experience.
Reply
#38
RE: Atheism is irrational.
(November 20, 2016 at 11:36 pm)theologian Wrote: Whatever is rational utilizes either the senses, the intellect or both.

Atheism cannot deny God by using senses. For, to deny something by the use of senses is to search the whole physical reality, just as ruling out that there's no alien is to search all that is searchable which is impossible for us humans. But God, by demonstration of His effects, shows that He is beyond physical reality. Hence, it is the more that God can't be denied by the senses.

Atheism cannot deny God by the intellect. For, whatever we can deny by the use of our intellect, must be defined, just as we deny circle things as square, for the definition of circle is different from the definition of square. But, God can't be define, because if He has definition, He can't be God, because by demonstration of His existence through His effects, He is necessarily Boundless. Hence, God can't be denied by the intellect.

Therefore, if to be rational is able to use senses and our intellect, and that God can't be denied both by the senses and intellect, then atheism is necessarily irrational.
Just prove any god or gods exist, by means other than bald assertions.
Reply
#39
RE: Atheism is irrational.
Then tell us why we should care, and do better than "because you're a man".
Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists.

Index of useful threads and discussions
Index of my best videos
Quickstart guide to the forum
Reply
#40
RE: Atheism is irrational.
The absence of a belief in of any sort of deity works when using the lack of observable evidence as well as using known scientific facts that contradict the "evidence" brought forth from a theists assertions of such deity.
Reply



Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  What makes people irrational thinkers? SlowCalculations 228 18237 January 15, 2022 at 9:55 am
Last Post: Belacqua
  Atheism VS Christian Atheism? IanHulett 80 27108 June 13, 2017 at 11:09 am
Last Post: vorlon13
  How Irrational People Think Mudhammam 41 7400 January 18, 2015 at 4:57 pm
Last Post: KevinM1
  Atheism, Scientific Atheism and Antitheism tantric 33 12468 January 18, 2015 at 1:05 pm
Last Post: helyott
  Strong/Gnostic Atheism and Weak/Agnostic Atheism Dystopia 26 12147 August 30, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Last Post: Dawsonite
  Irrational beliefs ManMachine 29 4665 July 27, 2014 at 11:35 pm
Last Post: Jackalope
  How Irrational Are You? Whateverist 12 2661 July 1, 2014 at 6:37 pm
Last Post: Nine
  Debate share, young earth? atheism coverup? atheism gain? xr34p3rx 13 10476 March 16, 2014 at 11:30 am
Last Post: fr0d0
  Why atheism is irrational Vincenzo Vinny G. 238 73799 October 10, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Last Post: Vincenzo Vinny G.
  God Hates Himself and is Irrational Koolay 32 9904 July 14, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Last Post: Michael Schubert



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)