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4 Arrested In FB Video Torturing Of A Mentally Challenged Man
RE: 4 Arrested In FB Video Torturing Of A Mentally Challenged Man
(January 5, 2017 at 7:33 pm)abaris Wrote:
(January 5, 2017 at 7:17 pm)A Theist Wrote: Lol. I knew you wouldn't. Yeah, you made yourself clear enough alright.

So am I right in assuming the only hate crime you're willing to accept is a racially motivated one? Or do I read you wrong there? How about sexual orientation? How about mental or physical disabilities? How about religion?

How many times are we gonna say it 'AB 'WE DON'T CARE IF IT WAS it was still a horrible act on an innocent person who could not fight back if it was then it was it won't make the victim any less beaten nor will make  the guilty any less legally fucked it's a sad state when race is the only reason to be pissed about a crime

(January 5, 2017 at 7:15 pm)Napoléon Wrote:
(January 5, 2017 at 7:06 pm)Orochi Wrote: Why should he ?

Why should we?

Your the ones whining about it
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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RE: 4 Arrested In FB Video Torturing Of A Mentally Challenged Man
What has this devolved into?

You guys are no fun any more.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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I'm pretty fun Smile
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RE: 4 Arrested In FB Video Torturing Of A Mentally Challenged Man
(January 5, 2017 at 7:33 pm)abaris Wrote:
(January 5, 2017 at 7:17 pm)A Theist Wrote: Lol. I knew you wouldn't. Yeah, you made yourself clear enough alright.

So am I right in assuming the only hate crime you're willing to accept is a racially motivated one? Or do I read you wrong there? How about sexual orientation? How about mental or physical disabilities? How about religion?

The thing is though, that there's a clear double standard here.

Remember when we were talking about muslim refugees, and someone said those who don't want to take them in are racist? My response to that person was:

"Yeah, we shouldn't discriminate against Muslims and of course we should take them in. But let's stop calling it racism bc Muslim is not a race."

I remember you insisting that it probably is about race that some ppl dont want to take them in, and you said denying racism is doing society disservice.

Yet here's a scenario where 4 black guys beat up a white man while saying "fuck white ppl", and all of the sudden you can't tell if this was racism? All of the sudden it doesn't matter whether it was or wasn't? All of the sudden race is irrelevant?

I respect you and dont mean to pick on you. This is only one example of the type of double standard that some of us keep seeing here in general.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: 4 Arrested In FB Video Torturing Of A Mentally Challenged Man
(January 5, 2017 at 7:03 pm)abaris Wrote:
(January 5, 2017 at 6:59 pm)A Theist Wrote: What do you think? Was it racially motivated?

Didn't i make myself clear already? It was a hate crime. Wether it was racially motivated, against a disabled person or both is entirely irrelevant. It was a hate crime and it was despicable. There's nothing more to say.

I don't think it was aimed at the disabled as a group; think they chose a disabled person for the reason that it was less risky. It seems to me clear from the verbiage that the motivation was racist, but that they chose the target they did was for reasons of practicality, not ideological.

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(January 5, 2017 at 6:45 pm)A Theist Wrote: This thread raises controversy because the poor little snowflakes don't want to confront the fact that this hate crime, committed by four Black people, was racially motivated on their part. To the SJWs blacks can't be racist because they're the downtrodden of the evil oppressive white people. All Lives Matter! Right?

That's just an outright fucking lie. Not a single person has denied that it is a hate crime. You and your cronies have literally been pretending something is happening that isn't this entire thread. You are insulting opponents that don't even exist. Everyone thinks its a hate crime. The argument you are dying to have didn't happen.

This right here is why the left and right fight so much. You are all making shit up. Setting up strawmen and having slap fights with them.
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I'll say it: it was a hate crime because it was racially motivated. No one said "fuck disabled people" but they did say "fuck white people". If the tables were turned, and it was white kids torturing a disabled black kid, saying "fuck black people," I'd be saying the same thing.
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
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(January 5, 2017 at 9:30 pm)The_Empress Wrote: I'll say it: it was a hate crime because it was racially motivated. No one said "fuck disabled people" but they did say "fuck white people". If the tables were turned, and it was white kids torturing a disabled black kid, saying "fuck black people," I'd be saying the same thing.

Exactly.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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(January 5, 2017 at 9:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(January 5, 2017 at 7:33 pm)abaris Wrote: So am I right in assuming the only hate crime you're willing to accept is a racially motivated one? Or do I read you wrong there? How about sexual orientation? How about mental or physical disabilities? How about religion?

The thing is though, that there's a clear double standard here.

Remember when we were talking about muslim refugees, and someone said those who don't want to take them in are racist? My response to that person was:

"Yeah, we shouldn't discriminate against Muslims and of course we should take them in. But let's stop calling it racism bc Muslim is not a race."

I remember you insisting that it probably is about race that some ppl dont want to take them in, and you said denying racism is doing society disservice.

Yet here's a scenario where 4 black guys beat up a white man while saying "fuck white ppl", and all of the sudden you can't tell if this was racism? All of the sudden it doesn't matter whether it was or wasn't? All of the sudden race is irrelevant?

I respect you and dont mean to pick on you. This is only one example of the type of double standard that some of us keep seeing here in general.
AB? Definitely a point.

For once, I would like to see a fair minded SJW say, Yes. This was clearly a racially motivated hate crime, and that racism has no color barriers. What would you SJWs be betraying? What's wrong with admitting that this attack was racially motivated by four black people? Wouldn't your admitting that racism exists in all races enhance your efforts to get rid of it? I don't get it with you guys. Why the double standard, as C_L pointed rightly out?
"Inside every Liberal there's a Totalitarian screaming to get out"

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(January 5, 2017 at 9:30 pm)The_Empress Wrote: I'll say it: it was a hate crime because it was racially motivated. No one said "fuck disabled people" but they did say "fuck white people". If the tables were turned, and it was white kids torturing a disabled black kid, saying "fuck black people," I'd be saying the same thing.

Playing devils advocate

let's say they did target him for his  disability and the slurs and trump bashing were just to add to his torment this scenario also holds for your black scenario  

but as I have said over it makes no difference ultimately as it does not hurt the victim less nor does it make his attackers more or less evil
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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