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Are stigmas and and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?
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RE: Are stigmas and and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?
(February 8, 2017 at 6:48 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Please stop making new threads.  More than 20% of your posts have been new threads, and that is too high.
Did you really waste your time doing the math or was that just a guess?
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#22
RE: Are stigmas and and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?
I've heard this argument often, especially in forms like this: "That guy hates homosexuals soooo much. . . he's obviously in an internal struggle with his own homosexuality." This might be the case sometimes, but I think in most cases it's not about fear at all, and it seems very unlikely to me that 90% of southern rednecks are all homosexual. It's because one has been taught to hate-- another group is lower, is disgusting, is dishonest or downright tricky, is greedy and so on.

Hatred CAN be an expression of fear. It can also be an expression of annoyance, resentment, disgust, or any other negative emotion.

(February 8, 2017 at 7:11 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(February 8, 2017 at 6:48 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Please stop making new threads.  More than 20% of your posts have been new threads, and that is too high.
Did you really waste your time doing the math or was that just a guess?

It's easy doing math on such small numbers.  As for a guess-- I'd say about 90% of words the guy has contributed have been the text walls he's copy-pasted from his blog.
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#23
RE: Are stigmas and and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?
(February 8, 2017 at 7:48 pm)bennyboy Wrote: It can also be an expression of annoyance, resentment, disgust, or any other negative emotion.

Hate seems to be the popular accusation lately. As you say, there could be other negative emotions. I'm rather partial to contempt, myself.
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#24
RE: Are stigmas and and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?
That is a good one.  I have contempt (and outright seething hatred) for plenty of folks and groups, though I doubt that anyone but the usual suspects™ would "accuse" me of hate or contempt in many of those examples.  It would be rationalized as something else, some softer sounding word. Nor, do I think, would they find my contempt or hatred for those individuals or groups to be an issue of not understanding them, nor would they find me at a loss for a rational justification for those emotions I feel towards them.
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RE: Are stigmas and and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?
(February 8, 2017 at 6:30 pm)Khemikal Wrote: For Paul.

Quote:Hatred is an emotion, again by definition.
Agreed, do you think that some hatreds can be rationally justifiable, or based upon an understanding of the hated thing or person or group?

Let's start with an "easy" one.  Hatred of predatory lending institutions?  Conversely, would a better understanding of predatory lending institutions lead to less or no hatred thereof?  Repeat with the individuals who accomplish the work of predatory lending.

Hate in and of itself as I said in another thread isn't bad.  It's simplistic to think of hate as being a simple bad emotion.  It's defined in the dictionary as being an intense dislike.  

So hate in that sense is basically a very useful instinct.  I hate the feeling of pain, the feeling of falling from a great height, being away from loved ones.

Directed at people or groups it can also be a justified useful instinct, to give an easy example, hating people who are trying to hurt you in some way.

I have very little knowledge of lending institutions.  You could call me paranoid, primitive or old school when it comes to money, I just save up, spend what's mine and I never use any finance deals, borrowing or lending.  My bank has offered me money, offered me a platinum card and I've just said no.  The people I bought my car from tried to get me on a finance deal and I just said no and paid for it outright.  

The only people I know who have had any real trouble with debt collectors have been people who are terrible with money.  A friend of mine with an alcoholic dad kept having debt collectors call and another guy I knew with a cocaine habit and stripper girlfriends had some underhanded looking people looking for him for a while.  
In both of those situations I blame them for lending the money, I don't blame the organizations that did the lending but I don't know about any other situations. 
You're saying this is an easy question so I'm guessing this answer is already clear in your mind and you might know more about the subject than I do.

I think I've heard that predatory lending had something to do with the bank bail outs, and on the face of it I'm very much against that kind of situation, but again, I know little about finance to have a strong opinion.


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#26
RE: Are stigmas and and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?
(February 8, 2017 at 8:37 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(February 8, 2017 at 7:48 pm)bennyboy Wrote: It can also be an expression of annoyance, resentment, disgust, or any other negative emotion.

Hate seems to be the popular accusation lately. As you say, there could be other negative emotions. I'm rather partial to contempt, myself.

Let me say this.  I'm currently prejudiced toward pretty much every blue-collar state in America.  That Trump could be elected shows a lack of character, of compassion for fellow humans, of the American values and education system, and a general deterioration of a nation that was once considered great.

However, I do not fear them. Nor am I ignorant, since I understand enough not only to believe them ignorant but to have educated views on why they should be considered so.  I don't particularly hate them either, anymore than I would hate a troupe of baboons if someone taught them how voting machines worked.

If I were to meet someone from one of those states, and he indicated that he'd voted for Trump, I'd believe, based pretty much on solid evidence, that he was a fucking fool, and he'd have to work very hard indeed to prove to me that he was not.  Frankly, he might first convince me that Jesus walked on water than that a sensible human being voted for that fucking orangutan.

So yeah, I'm with you 100%. Contempt is plenty, and it need not be seen as a moral failing of the person who holds it.
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RE: Are stigmas and and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?
"Are stigmas and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?"

Depends on the individual.

I generally mistrust and dislike people the moment I meet them. I find it saves time.
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