TV boss found guilty of beheading wife.

[Doubting Thomas]

As is this:

Lethal injection/electric chair/guillotine/Crucifixion/hanging can't work, because no one can participate. If you can come up with a punishment that the whole community can participate in, please do so....

So how is allowing the entire community to participate in an execution showing that your culture is not barbaric? You think that allowing teenagers to have sex with each other (which they will do whether you like it or not) will cause the destruction of a society, but not a bloodthirsty mob killing someone for doing what they themselves may have also done?

Sorry, but they're absolutely right. Muslim countries that allow barbaric execution of people just for having consensual sex which does not harm anyone are just fucking backwards, barbaric, and primitively stupid. Keep your backwards theocracies to yourself, because our Christian fundies are sitting up taking notes.

[ruhollah]

I'm going to give a scenario and you tell me why those who commit adultery should go unpunished:

You have a man who is married to his wife for 20 years and they have 3 young kids

Now this man is attracted to a young single 25 year-old and decides to sleep with her. They both live in a nation with Islamic laws and they both claim to be "muslim".

This man finds it convenient to not divorce his wife, or not marry the young 25 year-old he is attracted to. He just want to sleep with her temporary and never see the 25-year old again and do all this behind his wife and kids.

Then to add insult-to-injury, they have live sex in front of FOUR or more people.

And then four of these people have a change of heart and claim adultery has committed.

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Now under Islamic law, the authorities do a DNA test to verify the four witnesses...

then the man is sentenced to stoning and the young 25 year-old gets a couple lashings and jail time
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Now lets say there is no such law, ...instead the man and the 25 year-old are banned from the community. They go on living in another town and will never see their friends/family ever again.......

Now how will the family feel? The affected wife will struggle financially, and the kids will have a painful upbringing.

Those 3 young kids will no doubt have a chip on their shoulder once they become adults. They will stir trouble in the community. Vandalize/rob homes and businesses.

They will blame the community for how their life turned out. They will claim that no one cares how they feel being raised fatherless and in financial hardship. They will justify every crime as vengeance against the community for not supporting them.

They would want to know why those 4 witnesses didn't do anything when the act occurred.

They will start blaming the religion for not doing anything about the whole situation.

Basically it creates trouble in such a tight-knitted community. A family is broken apart and no one has taken care of them emotionally.


Please explain to me why this is a better outcome? Who had a better outcome? The victims or those who committed the act. Please explain to me why this act should go unpunished.

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just for having consensual sex which does not harm anyone

What do you mean not harm anyone.........

I mentioned this over and over again

adultery is the act of two people having sex and atleast ONE OF THEM IS MARRIED
I.E. cheating on a spouse

if they are both married, they both get stoned (provided 4 witnesses watched the act live at the same exact location)

otherwise, the one that is married and cheated their spouse will get stoned (provided 4 witnesses watched the act live at the same exact location)


If two people want to have consensual casual sex, and neither are married then nothing is wrong provide they have some sort of marriage certificate. The reason for these certificate is to keep people in good terms in case the relationship goes the wrong way....

[Zen Badger]

You're thinking of England pal ... and even if thats true its apples and fucking oranges.
#1 in an English pistol duel ... it was between two MEN and #2, one of those MEN wasn't BURIED IN THE FUCKING GROUND AND THAN BASHED WITH ROCKS BY AN ENTIRE CROWD YOU DOUCHEBAG!!

Nothing you can EVER say can EVER justify your country's barbaric practices. Fucking Neanderthals in towels!

look...

I said it before, stoning is a community punishment........

Clearly, some targets would try to escape if they weren't buried, burying them in the ground will prevent them from being a moving target

Secondly, you can have everyone bring a pistol or some sort of fire arm. A bullet can be considered a stone, however from a logistic stand point it is cheaper and far more efficient to throw a stone.

Lethal injection/electric chair/guillotine/Crucifixion/hanging can't work, because no one can participate. If you can come up with a punishment that the whole community can participate in, please do so....

So you are actually saying now that not only is stoning a good thing but that it the best form of punishment because the WHOLE community can participate in slowly and cruelly torturing someone to death.(and at least one of those victims was convicted of adultery because she had been gang raped).

Fuck off you barbaric stone aged pig fucker.

P.s I have no desire to come up with a punishment that "the whole community" can participate in.

This country is far,far too civilized for that.

[BeoTurtle]

I'm going to give a scenario and you tell me why those who commit adultery should go unpunished:

You have a man who is married to his wife for 20 years and they have 3 young kids

Now this man is attracted to a young single 25 year-old and decides to sleep with her. They both live in a nation with Islamic laws and they both claim to be "muslim".

This man finds it convenient to not divorce his wife, or not marry the young 25 year-old he is attracted to. He just want to sleep with her temporary and never see the 25-year old again and do all this behind his wife and kids.

Then to add insult-to-injury, they have live sex in front of FOUR or more people.

And then four of these people have a change of heart and claim adultery has committed.

-------
Now under Islamic law, the authorities do a DNA test to verify the four witnesses...

then the man is sentenced to stoning and the young 25 year-old gets a couple lashings and jail time
------

Now lets say there is no such law, ...instead the man and the 25 year-old are banned from the community. They go on living in another town and will never see their friends/family ever again.......

Now how will the family feel? The affected wife will struggle financially, and the kids will have a painful upbringing.

Those 3 young kids will no doubt have a chip on their shoulder once they become adults. They will stir trouble in the community. Vandalize/rob homes and businesses.

They will blame the community for how their life turned out. They will claim that no one cares how they feel being raised fatherless and in financial hardship. They will justify every crime as vengeance against the community for not supporting them.

They would want to know why those 4 witnesses didn't do anything when the act occurred.

They will start blaming the religion for not doing anything about the whole situation.

Basically it creates trouble in such a tight-knitted community. A family is broken apart and no one has taken care of them emotionally.


Please explain to me why this is a better outcome? Who had a better outcome? The victims or those who committed the act. Please explain to me why this act should go unpunished.

^ There is a thing called pre-nups. The above hypothetical scenario is so stupid I don't even want to answer it; you're massively generalising what would happen if adultery happened, and why would the two Muslims in your scenario even have sex infront of 4 guys (why 4? why not 3? why not 3 and a turtle spectating?) if they knew they would get stoned? Fucking stupid.

What difference does it makes if a man whilst married falls in love with another women who is single, but doesn't have sex with her until after he divorces his wife? Blatant loophole.

Stoning is archaic and pathetic. I will never want the state to stone me to death, no matter if I ask for it or not, which is what some Muslims would use to try and propagandise the authenticity of using this. Should the UK government give me £5m because I want money? Get lost.

[Minimalist]

Ru, while shit like this happens you are going to be hard pressed to make any kind of a case.

http://www.npr.org/2011/04/21/135611051/...pe?ps=cprs

Hasan said a male chauvinistic legal system continues to discriminate against Pakistani women. He said the Federal Shariat Court seeks to roll back the 2006 Protection of Women Act on the grounds that it conflicts with ordinances that govern such things as adultery and rape. The Shariah judges want to restore provisions that require women who have been raped to produce four witnesses, and to allow police to arrest a woman on a charge of adultery based on the fact she filed a report of rape.

This is barbarism...in the guise of religion and law. If muslims wish not to be treated as medieval retards they should stop acting like such.

[ruhollah]

-Regarding stoning

I'll just say this, most of you guys are completely biased thanks to Hollywood movies/ TV shows. You guys think its COOL to mess around with another man's wife / woman's husband. Most of you probably watch Charlie Sheen and are entertained how he screw's another man's wife. Don't even care for the affected husband/wife and kids. Are you guys HUMAN???

This religion is advocating a tight-knitted community. Whether you like it or not--it requires real men and women who are honest with one another. Its tough love, and requires discipline.

Go back to 1950s middle America, like in Texas, you catch someone sleeping with your wife behind your back... you have every right to shoot them both. And people would do just that.

However as the religion is concerned, the WHOLE COMMUNITY should and will support you and the kids.

No prenuptial agreements is necessary, this religion does not believe in prenups. A healthy relationship should not have any negative vibes.

This is a different way of thinking, and once some of you guys grow up into a man or woman and have experienced some of these pains first-hand or second-hand, you'll start agreeing with me. Don't come here and support the sinners... just cause in Hollywood movies they were cool and just weren't up to no good. Don't support cowards who could of taken the time to sign a divorce paper but found it convenient to cheat. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Ru, while shit like this happens you are going to be hard pressed to make any kind of a case.

http://www.npr.org/2011/04/21/135611051/...pe?ps=cprs

Hasan said a male chauvinistic legal system continues to discriminate against Pakistani women. He said the Federal Shariat Court seeks to roll back the 2006 Protection of Women Act on the grounds that it conflicts with ordinances that govern such things as adultery and rape. The Shariah judges want to restore provisions that require women who have been raped to produce four witnesses, and to allow police to arrest a woman on a charge of adultery based on the fact she filed a report of rape.

This is barbarism...in the guise of religion and law. If muslims wish not to be treated as medieval retards they should stop acting like such.

Hi minimalist, I can't say much about Pakistan's laws... but its unfortunate at the federal level there are chauvinistic elements in these laws. Whats even more disturbing is some of these laws are put hidden behind this religion. But the same can be said about other countries, like Mexico, like Europe...etc. Just the other day, Mexican government passed booklets detailing on how to tone down the marchioness in daily conversation.

This is why its so important for these nations to become free republics with decentralized governments. Laws should be created in local communities... so people are free to choose where they want to live.

[BeoTurtle]

Are you fucking joking? A healthy relationship does not thrive from under the threat of being stoned to death, regardless of what event. Do you think my girlfriend would appreciate it if I proposed to her then said immediately after, "Oh by the way, if you have sex with another guy during our marriage, I and the whole town will stone you to death like barbarians"? A marriage is built on trust, not a book with ideals set in the dark ages.

And no, I personally hate the majority of Hollywood for how shallow and vacuous it is (mainly on how many of them are limousine liberals, but that is irrelevant to this conversation), and I also think Charlie Sheen is a moron. Wrong again.

[Minimalist]

Laws should be created in local communities... so people are free to choose where they want to live.

Sorry, Ru, ( and just call me Min ) but that's a recipe for stones to be flying. These people need to be dragged into the modern world first.

Continually giving in to primitive urges is not an impressive system of justice.

[ruhollah]

Are you fucking joking? A healthy relationship does not thrive from under the threat of being stoned to death, regardless of what event. Do you think my girlfriend would like it if I proposed to her then said immediately after, "Oh by the way, if you have sex with another guy during our marriage, I and the whole town will stone you to death like barbarians"? A marriage is built on trust, not a book with ideals set in the dark ages.

And no, I personally hate the majority of Hollywood for how shallow and vacuous it is (mainly on how many of them are limousine liberals, but that is irrelevant to this conversation), and I also think Charlie Sheen is a moron. Wrong again.

How convenient to leave out a key element

The law is.... if you go cheating on your wife(husband)/kids and do it carelessly where 4 or more people witnessed the act. You'll get punished for this.

BTW, I don't know what kind of relationships you been in.... but most people want a relationship with certainty and openness. Cheating on your spouse should be the last thing to think about....... just know the consequences..... you can't be a COWERD and have the best of everything.

There are other options as far as this religion is concerned, like divorce, second marriage, ...etc.

I don't know if you ever lived in a tight-knitted community, where everyone helps everyone else, where kids grow in the presence of other kids, family party's on a monthly basis. Its different than the stubborn, very competitive environment of a large city like New York.

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Laws should be created in local communities... so people are free to choose where they want to live.

Sorry, Ru, ( and just call me Min ) but that's a recipe for stones to be flying. These people need to be dragged into the modern world first.

Continually giving in to primitive urges is not an impressive system of justice.

Hi Min,

I think this is where the differences are staggering.

The goal of this religion is to protect individuals, their homes, businesses, community and environment. This religion demands discipline so people behave honestly with one another like real men and women.

If those committing live adultery (again in front of 4 people which is realistically is so rare that it doesn't even happen in a porn studio) go unpunished, the victims will start questioning this religion. How can this religion and the community be so cruel to let their coward parent go free...etc.

You see people will start questioning the purpose of marriage, start questioning the purpose of family...etc. if committing adultery is unpublishable.

You see this religion wants everyone living in a healthy close-bonded family, no one be left out. If there is no marriage/family you'll have a select few who will have partners and the rest are Involuntary Celibates (Incels). Incels are a huge danger to society and in our modern world, although not discussed in the media there is a huge problem in China, Europe and even in USA.

You can't have a community where all the men are unmarried and can only pay to make love to woman. This is what's happening in China, and in large cities in the West. This shallow lifestyle is a danger to the human species.

Short benefits does not outweigh long term benefits.

[Minimalist]

This religion demands discipline so people behave honestly with one another like real men and women.

To an outsider, Ru, that religion looks like a barbaric cult which is real big on punishing women. That's not such a surprise.....it was invented by men.


Not gods.