Afghan riots over Quran-burning: 2 days, 20 dead

[Anomalocaris]

Come on, give the new comer credit for trying!

Nah, they're amateurs. I mean, Islam has never even had a Pope to coordinate bigotry,rapine,pillage and systematic murder.

They compensate with grass root zeal.

[Emporion]

"I don't think we should be blaming any Afghan. We should be blaming the person who produced the news - the one who burned the Quran," he said.

- Right..because Allah forbid that we actually blame the people who did the bloodthirsty killing... we should leave them blameless and blame the dude who burned a book..because we all know that rational, sane people go on killing frenzies when a book is burned.

Right. I find it is a simple confusion of cause and effect, a logical fallacy.

[DiRNiS]

[Rayaan]

Many of the violent acts committed by Jews and Christians are not necessarily an indication of the evilness of Christianity nor Judaism. The same is true for Islam.

[Minimalist]

Correct, Rayaan..... except for the last couple of centuries violence committed by xtians and jews is rarely done specifically in the name of religion. You guys cannot say as much.

Over here when people claim that god told them to kill someone we tend to lock them up in nut houses....not call them "Imams."

[Anomalocaris]

Many of the violent acts committed by Jews and Christians are not necessarily an indication of the evilness of Christianity nor Judaism. The same is true for Islam.

Actually, if unusal rate and volumes of violent acts were prepetrated in the name of a particular religion, it is fair to ask what it is about the actual influence of that religion, as oppose to what is said on the guilded "spiritual brouchure" with which every religion sells itself to the needy and gullible, that promoted this troubling correlation. It is indeed dishonest to reflexively dismiss the possibility of a connection and thereby cast approporiate caution to the wind.

[reverendjeremiah]

Many of the violent acts committed by Jews and Christians are not necessarily an indication of the evilness of Christianity nor Judaism. The same is true for Islam.

I think that is already assumed in the argument. So many followers of each religion is going to have bad things happen regardless. With that said I will thumb your post up.

[Sarcasm]

Many of the violent acts committed by Jews and Christians are not necessarily an indication of the evilness of Christianity nor Judaism. The same is true for Islam.

I think it definitely indicates the stupidity of each religion though.

[Rayaan]

Correct, Rayaan..... except for the last couple of centuries violence committed by xtians and jews is rarely done specifically in the name of religion. You guys cannot say as much.

You're right also, but I think that such acts of evilness being done in the name of Islam has increased only in the last couple of decades, not centuries. Hamas and the people of Palestine didn't start strategic terror attacks until the early 90's. The thing is that the recent events tend to stick out more in our minds and thus we give less significance to all the other acts of violence done in the past by non-Muslims. It's a historical fact that the major wars between the European nations during the past 100 years have caused a lot more damage to the world than the Muslims did (the only difference being that they didn't do it specifically in the name of religion).

Actually, if unusal rate and volumes of violent acts were prepetrated in the name of a particular religion, it is fair to ask what it is about the actual influence of that religion, as oppose to what is said on the guilded "spiritual brouchure" with which every religion sells itself to the needy and gullible, that promoted this troubling correlation. It is indeed dishonest to reflexively dismiss the possibility of a connection and thereby cast approporiate caution to the wind.

I'm not completely dismissing the possibility of a connection. What I believe is that the hostility that exists in some of the Muslims in the world are more of a result of their political agendas and/or historical and regional conflicts rather than a result of Islam itself. If Muslims are violent just because of their religion, or just because of what the Quran says, then why is there an absence of violence and a terroristic mentality in countries like Malaysia, Morocco, Mauritania, Sudan, Tunisia, Canada, and Bangladesh, for example?

I think that is already assumed in the argument. So many followers of each religion is going to have bad things happen regardless. With that said I will thumb your post up.

Yes, that's my point. Violence is violence and it does not matter whether or not it is religiously "inspired" or for purely secular purposes.

I think it definitely indicates the stupidity of each religion though.

Violence is stupid, but this doesn't mean that all religions are stupid also. There are a lot of things that can be said about people from different religions and nationalities. The fact still remains that no matter what the nationality, or religion, or the skin color of a terrorist is, it is not those things, but rather it is the person who commits the crime.

[Tearjerker]

Violence is stupid, but this doesn't mean that all religions are stupid also. There are a lot of things that can be said about people from different religions and nationalities. The fact still remains that no matter what the nationality, or religion, or the skin color of a terrorist is, it is not those things, but rather it is the person who commits the crime.

After a long absence due to new-year holidays and getting sick afterwards I'd like to insert myself to the discussion by pointing out to a non-believer the idea of religion and religiousness is pretty much stupid. And to counter what you said I'll quote one of my all time favorite movies: "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

You see Muslims wouldn't do good things in the sake of goodness and what is right, they do it -- if they do it -- because their religion told'em to. And there are times that the good is the obvious thing to do, which sometimes you should just ignore the idiocy and ignorance of others, quite unlike what happened in Afghanistan. Muslims don't let go, it's not the first time someone has had set a religious book on fire, but the moment that book becomes the so-called holly Qur'an, Muslims go mad like someone put their tails on fire. Afghans were living under tyranny of Taliban for many years and not even once they stud up for themselves to oppose the tyranny of government, to protect their civil rights and freedom, but surely some pieces of paper are more important than human life, so my life for Qur'an, and your life for Qur'an, and heck everyone's lives for Qur'an. I remember Merilyn Manson did similar things with the Bible but don't remember anyone got killed in the process.

All in all at the things currently going on in middle-east and the way things are headed generally I'm so expecting another crusade. There are documentaries currently on our TV saying stuff about uniting the Muslim world and retaking the Jerusalem and stuff.