Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.

[Nishant Xavier]

Physicist Paul Davies teaches: "There is now broad agreement among physicists and cosmologists that the Universe is in several respects ‘fine-tuned' for life” (Cosmic Jackpot, Why our Universe is just right for life), while even Steven Hawking admits: "The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life." (A Brief History of Time).

Sir Martin Rees mentions 6 of these Cosmic Constants in the Book, Just Six Numbers: The Deep Forces that Shape the Universe. Sir Martin Rees is a leading researcher on Cosmic Evolution and renowned authority/expert in his field.

Let’s formulate the Fine Tuning Argument in logical steps:
1.      The Life-Permitting Possible Configurations of the Universe are vanishingly small compared to the Life-Precluding ones (as amply admitted/documented by the above Scientists/Researchers).
2.      Thus, on Chance alone, it’s reasonable to say no life at all should ever have existed.
3.      Therefore, granted the existence of life, Design is a vastly superior explanation to chance, for the fact of why life exists at all in the first place. Chance just isn’t very good at creating life, it turns out, unfortunately for Atheists, because the life-permitting range is mind-bogglingly narrow.

An analogy: 10 sharp-shooters are shooting at you, while you’ve been lined up before them in a firing squad for various crimes. Now, on chance alone, it’s a vanishingly small likelihood that you will ever survive this, because they're all not going to miss by chance. Nevertheless, if it turns out that you did survive, then given the evidence of your survival, the most Logical Explanation is not only Intelligent Design, but even Benign Design.

[Please note, if some of these constants were even slightly altered, galaxies, planets or stars wouldn’t even form in the first place, or the Universe would have re-collapsed long ago into nothingness. Therefore, life would never form because there would be no Planets for it to form on!]

And why do I say that? Because it’s most likely they conspired to miss to keep you alive – or were directed to do so by some Higher Intelligence that was favorable to you. Behold the Goodness, the Love and the Power of God, manifest in Creation, in bringing about the fact of life’s existence!

Chance is the god of Atheism. But like other false gods beside the True God, this god is demonstrably false. We know it is demonstrably false as we know the above sharp-shooters would almost certainly not have missed on chance alone. Chance is thus an unreasonable explanation, given the Scientific Fact of Fine-Tuning well documented by the above Scientists/Researchers.
 
Now, in this 21st Century (this was unknown till recently), there is no further excuse/good reason to remain in Atheistic Darkness, in light of the above facts, but, recognizing them, we ought to acknowledge the Beautiful Light – even if it may be hard for our Atheistic Friends to accept at first – that a Loving Intelligent Designer exists, extremely Wise, extremely Powerful and extremely Loving.
 
How do we know He is Wise? Because only great Wisdom could have conceived such extremely diverse constants that needed to be finely tuned. And why Power? Only great Power could have actually brought about what was hitherto only conceived in the Designer’s Mind. Thus, the Creator and Designer of the Universe reveals Himself to be not only a Remote First Cause (as the Deists claim, making a correct first step, but getting lost in detours afterward, sadly – as we will discuss further in the Principle of Contingent Causation thread) but a Wise and Powerful Being.

Finally, how do we know the Designer is Loving? Simple, because He went through such great efforts to ensure the existence of life; and then ensure, fairly recently (20th century), that we would come to know about it, just when Marx et al were lying against the Almighty with their Militant Atheism. A worthy response from the Almighty.

Thoughts?

[arewethereyet]

I think you learned nothing by being given a time out for a short time.

I also think you are hoping for a full ban.

This is not your audience.

[Foxaèr]

Being able to say life became possible is in no way comparable to god.

[Nishant Xavier]

Arewethereyet, I have asked a question to the Admins in the private forum. Pls help me understand better. I want to comply with the rules. Hence, I deliberately avoided posting any outside content or links until my doubt was clarified. I wrote it all myself.

[Fake Messiah]

Yeah, the universe is so fine-tuned for life that it took it 26 billion to create a life because that's how long it took for it to become tuned for life on one planet in the whole universe, and now it is stopping to be fine-tuned for life as we are frying ourselves and face likely collective death. Talk about a theist nightmare.

even Steven Hawking admits: "The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life." (A Brief History of Time).

And yet Hawking was an atheist so you obviously don't understand what he said.

[Nishant Xavier]

In his earlier works, including Brief History of Time, Hawking repeatedly refers to God. In later life, I know what he said. However, the point is not his theistic beliefs or lack of them, but rather the well-documented scientific fact of fine tuning itself. Fine tuning means certain constants had to fall within exceedingly narrow ranges out of different possible values that would permit life, yet somehow, by "coincidence", did fall within those values.

Have you read Just 6 Numbers by Sir Martin Rees? It explains the issue fairly well and shows a Beneficent Creator is one plausible explanation for the data. Others have been proposed, but this is one.

As for what will ultimately become of the Universe, you don't know that. If Christianity is true, those who love God will go to Heaven and, in time, Creation and Nature herself will be finally restored. Obviously, if Atheism is true, then we're all going to die, and everything is meaningless in the long run. But the Fine Tuning Principle provides evidence to think that is not the case, because the Universe bears evident hall-marks of Loving Design.

[Fake Messiah]

As for what will ultimately become of the Universe, you don't know that.

You obviously did not read my post or you are making a strawman. After it took the universe 26 billion years to create life, this very life is coming to an obvious end. Earth is becoming uninhabitable due to global warming and we have nowhere to go because this "fine-tuned for life" universe is lacking life-supporting planets, and we will all die soon thus the universe will be no more fine-tuned for life since its only life will perish.

[Angrboda]

Let’s formulate the Fine Tuning Argument in logical steps:
1.      The Life-Permitting Possible Configurations of the Universe are vanishingly small compared to the Life-Precluding ones (as amply admitted/documented by the above Scientists/Researchers).

This is not known to be the case, therefore the conclusion doesn't necessarily follow.

[Nishant Xavier]

Is that what you think is going to happen? Well, no wonder studies show Religious Belief and Depression are inversely related, while Depression sadly seems to be rather high among Atheists. I guess it's logical: If we're all going to die and there's nothing to hope for, well, what else would such a belief lead to? Let me tell you what's going to happen instead: After the Gospel is preached in every nation and to every last tribe, as Christ said it would be in Mat 24 and elsewhere, then Anti-Christ, a Fake Messiah, will appear, claiming to be the True Messiah, which Jesus Christ was. Now, after this Anti-Christ, for 3.5 years, deceives many, and causes the greatest persecution ever, then Jesus Christ will establish His Messianic Kingdom of Peace for 1000 years, as is spoken of in Revelation 20. During this time, the Animal Creation will also be ransomed and restored, as is spoken of in the Prophet Isaiah; the wolf will live with the lamb, and all will be well. An All-Powerful God will gloriously intervene in Creation so as to bring this about.

Here is Revelation 20:

"4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

The Bible begins with the Creation of the Universe, and it ends with the end of the present world, and the Beginning of the New Heavens and Earth, a renewed Creation, a restored Universe. All this is only possible after all or most accept the Gospel and begin to live in Love and Peace.

Here is Isaiah 11:6: "The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them."

It strikes me that beyond all the evidential reasons to believe in God and the Gospel, this is a practical one: atheism leads to nihilism and hopelessness, in the long run at least, because of what it predicts will ultimately happen. But Christianity to confidence, peace and happiness, because of what it predicts will ultimately happen. We will see how things come to pass, but Christianity gives us something to look forward to.

[Nishant Xavier]

Angrboda, read the book. It is known to be the case. Sir Martin Rees and others have documented it. Therefore, the conclusion does follow.