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To Atheists: Who, in your opinion, was Jesus Christ?
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RE: To Atheists: Who, in your opinion, was Jesus Christ?
F'nmen!!!!! 
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#12
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I'm afraid it's tough for me to get past how mean he was to that fig tree.
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#13
RE: To Atheists: Who, in your opinion, was Jesus Christ?
I think he’s a character in an establishment myth or legend. Like Moses, or Paul Bunyan.
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RE: To Atheists: Who, in your opinion, was Jesus Christ?
(January 6, 2024 at 9:25 am)JJoseph Wrote: Almost all Christians agree Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Probably 2.5+ BN out of 2.6 BN agree about it. That's nearly 100% consensus.

The Apostles' Creed confesses that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. The Gospel of Mark begins with the declaration that Christ is God's Son.

And near the end of Saint John's Gospel, what does the Apostle write? "These are written that you may believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and by believing [this], you might have Life in His Name". Never be it said that the Apostles didn't know what they were writing nor agree in their Testimony.

They believed they lived with the Son of God, Who came down from Heaven to be our Savior, and they lived and died confessing/witnessing to this Truth.

Not only on paper or on ink, but etched as so great a Truth in some sense needed to be etched, in their own blood - for almost all the Apostles died as Martyrs - and in the history of many nations. Whoever honestly and passionately examines the Great Life of Jesus Christ, and His Lofty Moral Teachings, will find great value there, contrasted for e.g. with some of the vile precepts in the carnal law of Mohammed. For Mohammed claims and believes and acts as if 50+ y.o. men can marry 6 y.o girls etc.

I see you’ve added ad populum to your list of committed fallacies.

That aside, I’m sure there was at least one Jewish troublemaker called Yeshua who flourish in the first century, but you won’t learn anything about him by reading the Bible.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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RE: To Atheists: Who, in your opinion, was Jesus Christ?
Hoo boy. You sure have swallowed a lot of misinformation.

I think that, given the available evidence, it is impossible to know who or what Jesus Christ was. That being the case, we likely must look to guides outside the evidence to decide what to believe.
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RE: To Atheists: Who, in your opinion, was Jesus Christ?
(January 6, 2024 at 8:06 am)JJoseph Wrote: Based on the Gospel stories etc, who do you think Jesus Christ was?

E.g.

A. Someone who claimed to be the Son of God but was not.
B. A Great Humanist with Moral Teachings like Love Thy Neighbor.
C. A Nice Person who (allegedly) did not intend to found a Religion. 

etc.

It'll be interesting to hear what Atheists about the most successful Founder of a Religion in Human History.

Mohammed is a close second of course, but anyone who knows history sees Christ and Mohammed lived dramatically different lives.

Mohammed married a girl of 6 for e.g. and did many other wrong things. Whereas there is no such sin or scandal in Jesus Christ's Holy Life.




A mentally diseased unscrupulous megalomanic with no discernible redeeming traits, who happen to have been found to be suitable for use by other diseased meglomaniacs to rule through superstition.     If he had been born into wealth, he would have tried hard to be the Donald Trump of 1st century AD.   Although I doubt the local or the Roman administration would have dealt with his shenanigans any less harshly.
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A heavy psilocybin user

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RE: To Atheists: Who, in your opinion, was Jesus Christ?
(January 6, 2024 at 8:06 am)JJoseph Wrote: Based on the Gospel stories etc, who do you think Jesus Christ was?

E.g.

A. Someone who claimed to be the Son of God but was not.
B. A Great Humanist with Moral Teachings like Love Thy Neighbor.
C. A Nice Person who (allegedly) did not intend to found a Religion. 

etc.

It'll be interesting to hear what Atheists about the most successful Founder of a Religion in Human History.

I lean about 51% towards an apocryphal wonder-working rabbi once a follower of John the Baptist whose activities ticked off the Romans enough for them to execute him and on whose sayings Christianity is partly founded (I think it's more fair to call it Paulianity than Christianity based on their proportional contributions) having actually existed. I don't think he performed real miracles and I don't think all the sayings attributed to him were actually his. What he really said and did is unknowable at this point, but I don't think he really claimed to be more or less a son of God than anyone else.

Since I don't have to take the Bible 'as gospel', I presume the sayings and deeds I like have some value and the ones I don't like or don't make sense didn't happen or were done by someone else or indicate that the lessons of Jesus aren't everything they're cracked up to be.

PS: Welcome to te forum! If you haven't made an intro thread yet, I'd be interested in reading it when you do.
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RE: To Atheists: Who, in your opinion, was Jesus Christ?
He's no one to me.

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RE: To Atheists: Who, in your opinion, was Jesus Christ?
(January 6, 2024 at 12:51 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Hoo boy. You sure have swallowed a lot of misinformation.

I think that, given the available evidence, it is impossible to know who or what Jesus Christ was. That being the case, we likely must look to guides outside the evidence to decide what to believe.
Then IMHO you have not truly examined the evidence. Personally on AF, I myself do not engage in discussions about historical accuracy because I go, generally, with the scholarly concensus, that Jesus was cruxified by Pontious Pilate and that the disciples believed they witnessed him alive after 3 days. It is perhaps the most thoughouly documented ancient biographical accounts created within living memory of the reported events. Those are just basic facts. People who think Jesus was a mythological creation are ignorant beyond words.
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