(August 24, 2015 at 5:28 pm)Brian37 Wrote: The hell there is no privacy on the internet. How many members of this website use their raeal names? Some may, but of those who do, would it be OK for a theist to hack this website an publicly publish your personal info because they find not believing immoral?

You're missing the point. I never said it was okay for people to hack and reveal information. I just said I don't have any sympathy for people who are immoral assholes. Ofcourse it would be different if someone hacked here, but then, not everyone on here comes on this site to have an affair.

(August 24, 2015 at 5:30 pm)pocaracas Wrote: How does this compare with what happened to the SONY PSN a year or two ago?

It is no different, both are invasions of privacy without probable cause or court order.

(August 24, 2015 at 4:23 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(August 24, 2015 at 3:29 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Lol you are so easy to wind up.

Outside this I was falsely accused of throwing a rock at a car during recess at a middle school, a private school. Was also questioned about a 30k TV camera that went missing at a TV station I interned at.  Until you are falsely accused , or even looked at funny for things you know you didn't do, don't judge.

You don't protect the accused because you think they are innocent, you protect them because you value your own rights and privacy.

Yes, I take this personally, not because I like the website, or its patrions, but because I value my own rights and privacy.

First of all, NO ONE has said that the hackers should not be punished if caught.  NO ONE is saying that they were right to hack the site.  I stated this before.  Second, if you believe you have actual privacy online, you are a deluded fool.  Right now, the NSA is very likely vacuuming up all of the things you and I are doing online.  Right now, hackers are trying to hack various web sites.  If you believe that web sites you visit are really secure and cannot be hacked, you living in a dream world. 


So, no one of sense does things online that they are very concerned about keeping private.  Especially people who are not using serious encryption software for everything they do.  If you come to a site like this one, you should expect that Tiberius is probably not going to hand out your private information (though did you read the privacy policy and is it subject to change?), but you should not expect state-of-the-art anti-hacking measures to be taken either, so you should expect that what you do here might be connected to you at some point in the future.  If that bothers you, you should stay off the internet, because the illusion of privacy that people feel is merely an illusion.

If you really value your privacy and are not an idiot, you stay off the fucking internet, because everything you do on the internet can all be traced back to you.  It is a question of whether the right person is motivated to do it or not.  And very probably the NSA has records of everything you do online.  Your ISP may be making it easy for them by just handing the information over to them.  A determined and skillful hacker can get your online information, too, if they wish to do so.  This is especially true of using one's credit card online, as is the case with Ashley Madison's users.  Their connection to adultery could have been revealed by hacking their credit card company, so there is an extra way of getting found out when one uses credit cards online.

When people do stupid things, bad things can happen to them.  If you expect that everyone else is always going to do what they are supposed to, you are going to have all sorts of trouble in life.  You would not bother locking your car or removing your keys from the ignition if you seriously believed that everyone else does what they are supposed to do.  Somehow, I think you would be saying of some moron who did that and then complained that their car was stolen, that they should have taken greater precautions to prevent the problem.

No web site promises you that it will not and cannot be hacked.  Or if they do, it is an empty promise.  Kind of the like the promises the Ashley Madison customers made to their spouses.

(August 24, 2015 at 5:37 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: No web site promises you that it will not and cannot be hacked.  Or if they do, it is an empty promise.  Kind of the like the promises the Ashley Madison customers made to their spouses.

Ding ding ding.

(August 24, 2015 at 5:34 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

(August 24, 2015 at 5:28 pm)Brian37 Wrote: The hell there is no privacy on the internet. How many members of this website use their raeal names? Some may, but of those who do, would it be OK for a theist to hack this website an publicly publish your personal info because they find not believing immoral?

You're missing the point. I never said it was okay for people to hack and reveal information. I just said I don't have any sympathy for people who are immoral assholes. Ofcourse it would be different if someone hacked here, but then, not everyone on here comes on this site to have an affair.

Don't hand me that crap. I have no doubt, someone you know, or have known, family or friends or co worker has made that mistake, even if they have never told you. You have met thousands of people in your life, and even the ones you like make mistakes.

Quote:Aye mate. I'm the one who lives in a commie country. Keep telling yourself that while the NSA snoop your emails. I wonder what they think of your 'right to privacy'? 
Again, you're being naive as fuck to think anything on the internet is private. You sign up to this shit, you're leaving your details in their hands. End of. Sure, the people doing the hacking are breaking the law, never said that wasn't illegal. You're talking about something else there.

But if you think you actually have any right to privacy online, lol, good luck with that. That's got so many people so far hasn't it.

That there are those willing to break our laws doesn't mean that I do not have the right to protection -of- our laws, Napo.  There would be no sense in me bitching about the NSA if I didn't bitch about these guys as well.  If my response to the NSA bit was... "well, they're snooping on scum"....we'd be having a different discussion, and isn't that the claim.....isn;t this precisely how the NSA both justifies and attempts to excuse, insomuch as they can, their actions?  Couldn't we just so easily turn into that sort of society..if we already aren't?  It's not an outcome I look forward to.  

This is how we work, and, since you brought up the NSA, this is how our government works.  It pilots abusive programs against those on the moral "outs", those less likely to find a hearty defense. Thats what these guys did, and they;ve found the support they thought they would, the moral license, in the form of your busy-bodying excuses. Business as usual.

Bingo! So if everyone who did, why is no one here advocating public stoning? Maybe because we have better morals than dark age Christians and middle East Zeaolts? Maybe because we understand we are flawed humans?

(August 24, 2015 at 5:42 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Don't hand me that crap. I have no doubt, someone you know, or have known, family or friends or co worker has made that mistake, even if they have never told you. You have met thousands of people in your life, and even the ones you like make mistakes.

I'm the one talking crap?

You're the one equating signing up and paying for shit on an affair website as a 'mistake'. Whatevs dude.

Wow, first of all, I am so sorry you went through that, Becca. :-(

I think a website like Ashley Madison is disgusting. And while I don't think hacking is moral, there is one person and one person alone to blame for a family falling apart due to the revealed cheaters list, and that is not the hacker, but the cheater himself.

I feel very much for Anna Duggar, her children, and the rest of the family who were so horribly impacted by the actions of one person they all loved and trusted. Josh Duggar is the epitome of a hypocrite, and the full blame for the hurt this has caused falls on him and him alone. Not the hackers.

And relating this to stoning. FML this is ridiculous.