Being naturally and biologically inclined to procreate do not prove that procreation is the purpose of our existence. All human beings are not only inclined to and their survival depends on taking a shit.
By your standards, biology just proved that the purpose of human existence is to take a shit.

(August 30, 2015 at 2:51 am)robvalue Wrote: Hmmm. Any argument of the form, "If we legalise gay marriage then X will happen" kind of doesn't work anymore. Has X happened, as a direct result of gay marriage being legalised? If not, you were wrong before and you're even more wrong now.

It's time for everyone to just get some lovely cock up the arse and be friends.

Again with this Sarah Palin. Just because monkeys do not turn to people in the zoo does not mean evolution is not real.

Ace has done a very good job of providing articles and sources about how others are making arguments to have their "orientations" legalized based on the same arguments made by homosexuals. You really should read the links he has provided.

No Ace has not, it was a stupid argument with no rationality or reason. You guys lost, child marriage will remain illegal. Get over it.

(September 8, 2015 at 5:24 pm)Losty Wrote: Being naturally and biologically inclined to procreate do not prove that procreation is the purpose of our existence. All human beings are not only inclined to and their survival depends on taking a shit.
By your standards, biology just proved that the purpose of human existence is to take a shit.

Regrettably you are confusing a function of biology with the teleological purpose of biology. Alas biological existence does not culminate in the shitting of our being. More is the pity. However it is readily observable that the biological existence of nearly every species on this planet culminates in sexual maturity and procreation. Most species do not live much beyond this point no matter how much they hold in that next shit. So shitting must not be the point of their existence.

(September 8, 2015 at 5:27 pm)Losty Wrote: No Ace has not, it was a stupid argument with no rationality or reason. You guys lost, child marriage will remain illegal. Get over it.

Argument? Proof? Or we just going baseless assertion?

(August 30, 2015 at 2:55 am)Kitan Wrote: Yeah, anyone who is against progress tends to always make the illogical argument that X will happen if progress goes in the direction that it should.

The world did not end in the past when other progressive movements surpassed that of the ignorant Christian mindset.

You really should look into the ignorant christian mindset you are talking about. Particularly as much of the what you consider progress and modern society was brought about by Christianity.

(September 8, 2015 at 5:28 pm)Anima Wrote:

(September 8, 2015 at 5:24 pm)Losty Wrote: Being naturally and biologically inclined to procreate do not prove that procreation is the purpose of our existence. All human beings are not only inclined to and their survival depends on taking a shit.
By your standards, biology just proved that the purpose of human existence is to take a shit.

Regrettably you are confusing a function of biology with the teleological purpose of biology. Alas biological existence does not culminate in the shitting of our being. More is the pity. However it is readily observable that the biological existence of nearly every species on this planet culminates in sexual maturity and procreation. Most species do not live much beyond this point no matter how much they hold in that next shit. So shitting must not be the point of their existence.

If no one took a shit, ever, mankind would be extinct a hell of a lot faster than if people stopped having babies.

Yes my thing was silly, but my point stands. Biology cannot prove the purpose of existence. It can only tell you what is necessary to exist and continue existing. The only way that would make sense is if existing is actually our purpose and you can argue that it is, but you can't prove it.

(September 8, 2015 at 5:29 pm)Anima Wrote:

(September 8, 2015 at 5:27 pm)Losty Wrote: No Ace has not, it was a stupid argument with no rationality or reason. You guys lost, child marriage will remain illegal. Get over it.

Argument? Proof? Or we just going baseless assertion?

This argument has happened several times from so many people. It's too fucking boring to keep going with it. Stick around for fifty years so we can say we told you so ok.

(August 30, 2015 at 3:09 pm)Divinity Wrote: The only way gay marriage will lead to Pedophilia being legalized is if the fucking idiots who are anti-gay marriage keep pushing that, instead of fighting against the legalization of Pedophilia.

I'll admit i have a stake in this.  My daughter's getting married to her girlfriend soon.  It's not going to lead into pedophilia being legalized (as shown that no country has made it legal for 10 year olds to fuck, despite being more than 11 years ago).  And it's not going to lead to the goddamn extinction of the human race, because everybody isn't going to suddenly be gay.  Trust me.  Humanity's survival doesn't rely on a few people procreating.  That'd be fucking stupid.  We have enough stupid fucking that there's 7 billion people on this planet.  It's okay if a few of them don't have kids.  Shit, it'd be okay if half of them didn't have kids.

Gay people don't try to turn straight people gay.
Straight people do try to turn gay people straight though.

They will fight it. Rest assured. But legal precedence has just been set for them to lose that battle. You see there is more logical, legal, and historical support for marriages between adults and children than there was between members of the same sex. With the ruling of Obergefell V. Hodges marriage is not procreation centric. Thus the law is not justified in denying government relationship between an adult and a child WHICH IS NOT SEXUAL when that relationship conveys added dignity and security. You know... MARRIAGE!

(August 30, 2015 at 3:53 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: To think that gay people can "turn you gay" means you already have some same-sex attraction. If you honestly think I can have that affect on you, then that's because you've clearly at some point in your life experienced an attraction to a member of the same sex that you squashed. If you were comfortable in your heterosexuality you'd know a gay person can't have that affect on you.

Also look at where child marriages are still commonplace in the world, you'll see these places are coincidentally where you fucking DON'T want to be a gay person. I can't see how so many people miss this, so you think tolerating homosexuality is going to lead to toleration of pedophilia? Girl look at Yemen...

I do not think myself or ACE is saying gay people will turn straight people gay. I most certainly am not and he does not seem to be. This is simply a mischaraterization or a strawman if you would.

(September 8, 2015 at 5:32 pm)Losty Wrote:

(September 8, 2015 at 5:28 pm)Anima Wrote: Regrettably you are confusing a function of biology with the teleological purpose of biology.  Alas biological existence does not culminate in the shitting of our being.  More is the pity.  However it is readily observable that the biological existence of nearly every species on this planet culminates in sexual maturity and procreation.  Most species do not live much beyond this point no matter how much they hold in that next shit.  So shitting must not be the point of their existence.

If no one took a shit, ever, mankind would be extinct a hell of a lot faster than if people stopped having babies.

Yes my thing was silly, but my point stands. Biology cannot prove the purpose of existence. It can only tell you what is necessary to exist and continue existing. The only way that would make sense is if existing is actually our purpose and you can argue that it is, but you can't prove it.

Biology defines the very purpose of BIOLOGICAL EXISTENCE. You see your biological being is designed to do a certain thing and is orientated to accomplish that very thing. It is why you do not breath water, drink arsenic, and humans are not created without the combination of male sperma and female ovum.

Do not confuse biological purpose with metaphysical purpose beyond the biological. You see the former is a fact of existence and the latter is some fanciful shit devoid of proof and to an atheist should be on par with believing the purpose of existence is to please god.