(September 24, 2015 at 11:02 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(September 24, 2015 at 9:58 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: Yeah but a similar argument could be made that supporting either party supports the status quo and prevents this country from ever advancing.  And yet I'm still voting to minimize the potential harm of a republican government (manned by someone from the current clown car - no Eisenhowers there).

This is why I vote third party, as well.

Thank you so much for W.

(September 24, 2015 at 11:19 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote:

(September 24, 2015 at 11:02 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: This is why I vote third party, as well.

Thank you so much for W.

Don't blame me, I voted in California for a Libertarian -- Harold Brown iirc.

My vote had exactly zero to do with W winning Florida.

To address the larger point, if you don't like what the two major parties are doing, continuing to for for either of them only guarantees more of the same ... kinda like the Internet definition of insanity.

(September 24, 2015 at 8:08 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(September 24, 2015 at 7:59 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I told you that I don't give a shit about "religion."  For people to willingly remain a member of such a corrupt organization is a red-flag for me.  You were in no position to molest anyone or protect those who did.  But those who were in those positions, did.

So what do you suggest me do? Force myself to stop believing something that in my heart I feel is true, only because there are people within the Church who are bad people?

I have no suggestions.  I find the entire church utterly reprehensible but if you do not well, so be it.  Do you still support them financially?

I see others have already spotted that particular issue.

Quote:I don't know why you or anyone else here would associate with anyone who ya'll thought actually supported such a disgusting act, though.

I'm guessing that you fail to see the irony in that statement.

(September 25, 2015 at 1:39 am)Minimalist Wrote: I see others have already spotted that particular issue.

Quote:I don't know why you or anyone else here would associate with anyone who ya'll thought actually supported such a disgusting act, though.

I'm guessing that you fail to see the irony in that statement.

Don't see the irony at all. If someone thinks I approve of child rape, I don't understand why they would still associate with me.

I think the ironic question has to do with why you continue to associate with the church given its cover up of childhood abusers. No one thinks you approve of the rape .. just that you continue to financially support those who do it.

That, by the way, is not the way I see it.

My cousin who I grew up with like a brother was raped by a neighbor when he was 11. It messed him up and caused a lot of grief in my family. Accusing someone of "approving" of something so vile and awful is extremely incriminating and not something that should be tossed around at someone or joked about. Yes, if you seriously think I approve of child rape, then please don't talk to me.

(September 25, 2015 at 1:58 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: I think the ironic question has to do with why you continue to associate with the church given its cover up of childhood abusers.  No one thinks you approve of the rape .. just that you continue to financially support those who do it.

Oh my gosh, not EVERYONE in the Church covered up for child abusers!

It's not like we're all child rapists or people who cover up for them! The people involved in all this either by doing it or by covering it up make up a tiny fraction of Catholics, and NO fraction of Catholic doctrine! Also, Catholicism is a faith, not just an organization, as you guys see it. And it's not like its premise is to promote child abuse, or something, though from what some people are saying, that's what it sounds like ya'll think. The people involved in these heinous acts did so very very wrongly, but it's not like there can't be many more good people doing good things, and a good pope working to make sure this doesn't happen again. I don't care how ya'll word it - whether you think I support it, or approve it, or whatever, if that's how you see me then don't talk to me. I wouldn't.

(September 25, 2015 at 1:58 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: That, by the way, is not the way I see it.

I know you don't. Thank you. I wasn't referring to you in the above post, btw.