Man. Hadn't been in this thread for awhile. It's taken on a new and different life. OK, ba-bye.

Maybe I am just jaded but everytime I hear "don't you think woman should be responsible for the consequences of sex" I hear "that's what the slut gets for spreading her legs"

Women are responsible for the consequences of sex. One could argue that we are the only ones ever held accountable for the consequences of sex. But when an unwanted pregnancy occurs, the consequence is that we are faced with a decision. We are the ones who have to decide how to deal with the matter. And having an abortion is a valid way to take responsibility for the consequences of having sex.

(September 30, 2015 at 5:21 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(September 30, 2015 at 5:17 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: I don't insult the person that holds the belief, I insult the belief that holds the person.

Dude THAT needs to be your signature line!

Is that a quotation of someone?

Thanks. Not a quotation.

(September 30, 2015 at 5:20 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote:

(September 30, 2015 at 5:14 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I can think of situations where it would be acceptable.

Sure, but those are fairly marginal - as far as I can tell, anyway. And probably best dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

It's all best dealt with on a case-by-case basis and between a woman and her doctor.  Not some republicunt sleazebag inspired by an old book of bullshit.

(September 30, 2015 at 5:33 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote:

(September 30, 2015 at 5:21 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Dude THAT needs to be your signature line!

Is that a quotation of someone?

Thanks. Not a quotation.

For real, I'm going to add that to my lexicon.

Elegant in its simplicity. Other than the slut-shaming and anti-science stuff that gives me the rare but powerful urge to choke out the imbeciles who say those kinds of things, my third-biggest peeve is the "why do atheists have to insult our faaaaaaith" line of thought. I wish I had thought of that expression years ago.

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(September 30, 2015 at 5:38 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(September 30, 2015 at 5:20 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: Sure, but those are fairly marginal - as far as I can tell, anyway. And probably best dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

It's all best dealt with on a case-by-case basis and between a woman and her doctor.  Not some republicunt sleazebag inspired by an old book of bullshit.

Well I'd have phrased it a bit  more mildly, but then again that's the Min we've all come to know and love.

But as I brought up earlier, when I read the Bible, it seems to me to be supportive of abortion in Numbers chapter 5, at least when dealing with an unfaithful wife. And I see nothing in there that specifically suggests otherwise. So I've never figured out why they got onto this whole issue of claiming abortion is a Christian issue. It's not a valuing of parenthood, or else we'd see more legal protections for working mothers, poor mothers, etc, as I discussed above. It's not a universal valuing of life, or we wouldn't have the death penalty in this country. And as I say it's not actually in the Bible itself, but inferred... and from where, I can't even figure out!

You're not supposed to figure it out.  That's what "faith" is for.  Even if fucking jesus never mentioned it these shitheads know what he was thinking.

Of course they can read his mind. They telepathically communicate with him, after all.

(September 30, 2015 at 5:38 pm)Minimalist Wrote: [...]  Not some republicunt sleazebag inspired by an old book of bullshit.

Well, yes. But then - you could say that about literally anything.

On revision, "I don't mock the people that hold the belief, I mock the belief that holds the people" might sound better, has more flow to it.
Then again, "the people" might be too broad a term, could be seen as endorsement of communism, open to misrepresentation, could affect sales.

(September 30, 2015 at 5:41 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(September 30, 2015 at 5:33 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Thanks. Not a quotation.

For real, I'm going to add that to my lexicon.

Elegant in its simplicity. Other than the slut-shaming and anti-science stuff that gives me the rare but powerful urge to choke out the imbeciles who say those kinds of things, my third-biggest peeve is the "why do atheists have to insult our faaaaaaith" line of thought. I wish I had thought of that expression years ago.

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(September 30, 2015 at 5:38 pm)Minimalist Wrote: It's all best dealt with on a case-by-case basis and between a woman and her doctor.  Not some republicunt sleazebag inspired by an old book of bullshit.

Well I'd have phrased it a bit  more mildly, but then again that's the Min we've all come to know and love.

But as I brought up earlier, when I read the Bible, it seems to me to be supportive of abortion in Numbers chapter 5, at least when dealing with an unfaithful wife. And I see nothing in there that specifically suggests otherwise. So I've never figured out why they got onto this whole issue of claiming abortion is a Christian issue. It's not a valuing of parenthood, or else we'd see more legal protections for working mothers, poor mothers, etc, as I discussed above. It's not a universal valuing of life, or we wouldn't have the death penalty in this country. And as I say it's not actually in the Bible itself, but inferred... and from where, I can't even figure out!

And then we have Genesis 2:7 defining the moment when human life begins:


the first successful breath.



So when I hear religousites and christers claiming their contrary heresies as gospel, it really grates on my nerves.  Jesus fucking christ, how the holy fuck can heretics win over anybody to God when they aren't with God in the first place?