(October 1, 2015 at 1:20 am)Losty Wrote: I'm also against seatbelt laws. I always wear mine and I would even if I wasn't legally required to but I don't think I should be legally required to.

Some people can be declared mentally incompetent and then someone else can make decisions for them. If they don't qualify as mentally incompetent they should get to make their own choices even if they make terrible choices.

Same way with motorcycling. It infuriates me when people talk about the expense of paying taxes to keep us on life support, so motorcyclists should be required by law  to wear helmets. That said, I always ride in full, armored leathers, steeltoed boots, gloves, and helmet. Why? Because I like my skin.

We have states that do and that don't have helmet laws. Can anyone point me to the wards overflowing with bikers on life support, in the latter group of states? Anyone? 

It's an asshole argument. "I don't want to pay for __(insert imaginary outcome here)__ therefore I will impose this odious government intrusion onto you, since you cannot make decisions for yourself and need a nanny".

It is interesting to note, here, how many rights stem from the fundamental principle of a right to bodily integrity and choice. Once you accept that the government can control your body and your personal decisions...

(October 1, 2015 at 2:31 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote:

(October 1, 2015 at 12:03 am)vorlon13 Wrote: My Thetans kicked your Jedi shits to the curb 77 million years ago !!

LOLOLOL TRY 75 MILLION YEARS DIPSHIT! Shouldn't be surprised, Xenuists don't know shit about their own religion. 
Why were Xenu's spaceships shaped like aeroplanes? Aerodynamics won't help when you're flying through space, moron, you can't propel a fucking airliner into orbit! This isn't rocket science. oh wait yes it is you're an idiot. 

You know Palpatine was a Xenuist and the Galactic Empire's Anti-Jedite propaganda was endorsed by Xenuism, objective logical proof of that you support Order 66 you can deny it all you want and that only proves my true facts! I bet psychologists shouldn't be allowed to get married! you irrational bigot if I was president, I'd have every one of intolerant shits thrown into a live volcano! You wouldn't believe all that xenu bullshit if your mom hadn't made you a retard by drinking while she was pregnant, if you were objectively rational like I am and not objectively stupid like I prooved with evidence, you'd admit how obvious science is! 

Science is true. Evolution is the basis of human morality and Darwin is a scientific fact.

DEAL WITH IT.

It's "XEMU" you twit !!!

(October 1, 2015 at 7:38 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(October 1, 2015 at 1:20 am)Losty Wrote: I'm also against seatbelt laws. I always wear mine and I would even if I wasn't legally required to but I don't think I should be legally required to.

Some people can be declared mentally incompetent and then someone else can make decisions for them. If they don't qualify as mentally incompetent they should get to make their own choices even if they make terrible choices.

Same way with motorcycling. It infuriates me when people talk about the expense of paying taxes to keep us on life support, so motorcyclists should be required by law  to wear helmets. That said, I always ride in full, armored leathers, steeltoed boots, gloves, and helmet. Why? Because I like my skin.

We have states that do and that don't have helmet laws. Can anyone point me to the wards overflowing with bikers on life support, in the latter group of states? Anyone? 

It's an asshole argument. "I don't want to pay for __(insert imaginary outcome here)__ therefore I will impose this odious government intrusion onto you, since you cannot make decisions for yourself and need a nanny".

It is interesting to note, here, how many rights stem from the fundamental principle of a right to bodily integrity and choice. Once you accept that the government can control your body and your personal decisions...

Like the right to life?

(October 1, 2015 at 12:48 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(October 1, 2015 at 7:38 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Same way with motorcycling. It infuriates me when people talk about the expense of paying taxes to keep us on life support, so motorcyclists should be required by law  to wear helmets. That said, I always ride in full, armored leathers, steeltoed boots, gloves, and helmet. Why? Because I like my skin.

We have states that do and that don't have helmet laws. Can anyone point me to the wards overflowing with bikers on life support, in the latter group of states? Anyone? 

It's an asshole argument. "I don't want to pay for __(insert imaginary outcome here)__ therefore I will impose this odious government intrusion onto you, since you cannot make decisions for yourself and need a nanny".

It is interesting to note, here, how many rights stem from the fundamental principle of a right to bodily integrity and choice. Once you accept that the government can control your body and your personal decisions...

Like the right to life?

Exactly the opposite of that, actually. The right to not tell me I must use my body to create life.

And if you have already voluntarily used your body in a way known to create life and a life is created then what?

ChadWooters we have talked this subject to death. If you really want to discuss it, feel free to read back through what's already been said and come up with a new point.
Why would you expect someone to answer a question where it seems like you're intentionally not saying exactly what you mean?

Yes, I'm curious to hear the explanation by the celibacy and blood-god cult member explain to me why a civilized person must be abstinent or else reproduce. It's like saying, "You voluntarily ate that food. You know that food-borne illnesses can happen, and so you volunteered to die of ptomaine poisoning. If you didn't want ptomaine poisoning, you should have remained hungry."

(October 1, 2015 at 2:43 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Yes, I'm curious to hear the explanation by the celibacy and blood-god cult member explain to me why a civilized person must be abstinent or else reproduce. It's like saying, "You voluntarily ate that food. You know that food-borne illnesses can happen, and so you volunteered to die of ptomaine poisoning. If you didn't want ptomaine poisoning, you should have remained hungry."

Rocket, in all honesty I don't think you really believe that is a fair analogy. People die when they do not eat. No one dies for lack of sexual intercourse. And really? "celibacy and blood-god cult member?" As for what a civilized person does, that depends on their inclinations and what they hope to achieve in life, but I don't consider promiscuity or serial monogamy civilized. Besides why must you always compare pregnancy, which is a normal and healthy condition, with some pathology?

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So having sex is uncivilized?