(December 14, 2015 at 3:05 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Because words exclude and offend people.  The word negro caused slavery,

Links please. I don't think this is factually accurate.

Quote: then the word coloured caused racial inequality, now we have people of colour and it's causing real offense and exclusion.

There's pages and pages dedicated to this subject online, it's very important.

One day it's my dream that we will just find the perfect words to use in the right order and we will end all racism.

You'll have better luck plucking out people's eyes. The fact is that there are races, and that we will sometimes draw negative inferences about them. And even a willfully POSITIVE view is racist. "Black people are so musically creative," for example.

But let's be clear-- PC is NOT about stamping out racism. It's a condescending attempt to protect those weaker than "us," and by us I mean white douchebags. That's why you can say "cracker" and "honkie" until the cows come home. But you can't say "retard" or "nigger" or "bitch" because those are protected groups-- protected by us, not by their own efforts, values or achievements.

Don't you get that PC is a compound form of prejudice in which healthy white straight males get to continue feeling superior by extending protections to everyone else? If a black person hears a white person say "Oh my gawd! *gasp* You can't say the. . . N-word. It's insensitive," the right response isn't "right on, brother." It's "Fuck you, I don't need to be protected by a Starbucks-going, satchel wearing, patchouli-smelling douchebag."

I can't emphasize this enough: PC-minded people don't believe in equality. It is BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE SUPERIOR that they dub themselves protectors of the world's sensitivies. It is because they think their voice counts, because they think they matter. It is because they feel like special little snowflakes, or like princesses on their little thrones. It is condescension. And any black person, or handicapped person, or woman, or gay person who NEEDS this kind of protection is so weak that he/she probably doesn't deserve it. Stand up for your own fucking selves instead of letting the Starbucks crowd do it for you.

(December 14, 2015 at 6:57 pm)bennyboy Wrote:

(December 14, 2015 at 3:05 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Because words exclude and offend people.  The word negro caused slavery,

Links please. I don't think this is factually accurate.

Quote: then the word coloured caused racial inequality, now we have people of colour and it's causing real offense and exclusion.

There's pages and pages dedicated to this subject online, it's very important.

One day it's my dream that we will just find the perfect words to use in the right order and we will end all racism.

You'll have better luck plucking out people's eyes. The fact is that there are races, and that we will sometimes draw negative inferences about them. And even a willfully POSITIVE view is racist. "Black people are so musically creative," for example.

But let's be clear-- PC is NOT about stamping out racism. It's a condescending attempt to protect those weaker than "us," and by us I mean white douchebags. That's why you can say "cracker" and "honkie" until the cows come home. But you can't say "retard" or "nigger" or "bitch" because those are protected groups-- protected by us, not by their own efforts, values or achievements.

Don't you get that PC is a compound form of prejudice in which healthy white straight males get to continue feeling superior by extending protections to everyone else? If a black person hears a white person say "Oh my gawd! *gasp* You can't say the. . . N-word. It's insensitive," the right response isn't "right on, brother." It's "Fuck you, I don't need to be protected by a Starbucks-going, satchel wearing, patchouli-smelling douchebag."

I can't emphasize this enough: PC-minded people don't believe in equality. It is BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE SUPERIOR that they dub themselves protectors of the world's sensitivies. It is because they think their voice counts, because they think they matter. It is because they feel like special little snowflakes, or like princesses on their little thrones. It is condescension. And any black person, or handicapped person, or woman, or gay person who NEEDS this kind of protection is so weak that he/she probably doesn't deserve it. Stand up for your own fucking selves instead of letting the Starbucks crowd do it for you.

I was being really really sarcastic in my last post so I have no argument with you apart from I think you made a lot of blanket statements which may or may no be true depending on the situation.

My whole point is that I think it's ridiculous there are pages and pages dedicated to trying to find the right word to call a black person as if that will end racist attitudes if you recite the correct magic words.

(December 15, 2015 at 3:01 am)paulpablo Wrote:

(December 14, 2015 at 6:57 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Links please.  I don't think this is factually accurate.

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You'll have better luck plucking out people's eyes.  The fact is that there are races, and that we will sometimes draw negative inferences about them.  And even a willfully POSITIVE view is racist.  "Black people are so musically creative," for example.

But let's be clear-- PC is NOT about stamping out racism.  It's a condescending attempt to protect those weaker than "us," and by us I mean white douchebags.  That's why you can say "cracker" and "honkie" until the cows come home.  But you can't say "retard" or "nigger" or "bitch" because those are protected groups-- protected by us, not by their own efforts, values or achievements.

Don't you get that PC is a compound form of prejudice in which healthy white straight males get to continue feeling superior by extending protections to everyone else?  If a black person hears a white person say "Oh my gawd! *gasp* You can't say the. . . N-word.  It's insensitive," the right response isn't "right on, brother."  It's "Fuck you, I don't need to be protected by a Starbucks-going, satchel wearing, patchouli-smelling douchebag."

I can't emphasize this enough: PC-minded people don't believe in equality.  It is BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE SUPERIOR that they dub themselves protectors of the world's sensitivies.  It is because they think their voice counts, because they think they matter.  It is because they feel like special little snowflakes, or like princesses on their little thrones.  It is condescension.  And any black person, or handicapped person, or woman, or gay person who NEEDS this kind of protection is so weak that he/she probably doesn't deserve it.  Stand up for your own fucking selves instead of letting the Starbucks crowd do it for you.

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I was being really really sarcastic in my last post so I have no argument with you apart from I think you made a lot of blanket statements which may or may no be true depending on the situation.

My whole point is that I think it's ridiculous there are pages and pages dedicated to trying to find the right word to call a black person as if that will end racist attitudes if you recite the correct magic words.

Why not just call a black person black? You just did. 

It's a perfectly normal, acceptable, adequate and existing word. Yet, you spend time scouring the web looking to find better words for black people. Does that makes sense to you?

(December 15, 2015 at 5:19 am)Thena323 Wrote:

(December 15, 2015 at 3:01 am)paulpablo Wrote: I was being really really sarcastic in my last post so I have no argument with you apart from I think you made a lot of blanket statements which may or may no be true depending on the situation.

My whole point is that I think it's ridiculous there are pages and pages dedicated to trying to find the right word to call a black person as if that will end racist attitudes if you recite the correct magic words.

Why not just call a black person black? You just did. 

It's a perfectly normal, acceptable, adequate and existing word. Yet, you spend time scouring the web looking to find better words for black people. Does that makes sense to you?

I do just call black people black people, I was just searching the web to see if Chads prediction was right about the term people if colour will be considered racist and offensive and it already is by some people.
My girlfriend calls black people coloured, maybe she's under the impression that calling black people black is racist now I don't know.
I just find it funny everyone thinks these slight differences in words are so important and all the confusion around it won't ever be sorted out because everyone wants to feel excluded and offended by everything

(December 15, 2015 at 6:36 am)paulpablo Wrote: I do just call black people black people, I was just searching the web to see if Chads prediction was right about the term people if colour will be considered racist and offensive and it already is by some people.
My girlfriend calls black people coloured, maybe she's under the impression that calling black people black is racist now I don't know.
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LOL. Of course calling people "colored" has racist connotations. It means "not white". At least, when using words like "black", or "latino" there is a descriptive - if vaguely - quality about it and each ethnicity is considered individually - even if those categories are largely based on stereotypes and not nearly accurate enough.

"Colored" puts all ethnicities except white people into one nebulous group - how useful is that? And how many black people use "colored", when referring, to - say - Mexicans, or the Chinese? None. It's a word with a baggage of the times, when the political balance of power on Earth was: caucasian imperialists vs everyone else (aka - "savages").

I don't particularly care if people use it - but it's really funny, when they think they're being polite...

When the population of the United States was almost exclusively white, then I think talking about "colored" people made perfect sense-- because "Indians," black people and Chinese people were all of extremely different background than Europeans.

That was a couple hundred years ago. Calling some Americans "colored" is kind of pointless, since it's no longer different to be different, so to speak.

(December 15, 2015 at 7:08 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:

(December 15, 2015 at 6:36 am)paulpablo Wrote: I do just call black people black people, I was just searching the web to see if Chads prediction was right about the term people if colour will be considered racist and offensive and it already is by some people.
My girlfriend calls black people coloured, maybe she's under the impression that calling black people black is racist now I don't know.
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LOL. Of course calling people "colored" has racist connotations. It means "not white". At least, when using words like "black", or "latino" there is a descriptive - if vaguely - quality about it and each ethnicity is considered individually - even if those categories are largely based on stereotypes and not nearly accurate enough.

"Colored" puts all ethnicities except white people into one nebulous group - how useful is that? And how many black people use "colored", when referring, to - say - Mexicans, or the Chinese? None. It's a word with a baggage of the times, when the political balance of power on Earth was: caucasian imperialists vs everyone else (aka - "savages").

I don't particularly care if people use it - but it's really funny, when they think they're being polite...

I agree with pretty much all this, but this is exactly why it makes no sense to me why people of colour would be more polite than coloured. It still puts most non whites into one group, although I don't think anyone used the term for Far East Asian people ever.
The reason I don't used coloured has nothing to do with political correctness it's more because when I picture a coloured person I think of somone with rainbow skin.

(December 15, 2015 at 8:13 am)paulpablo Wrote: I agree with pretty much all this, but this is exactly why it makes no sense to me why people of colour would be more polite than coloured.  It still puts most non whites into one group, although I don't think anyone used the term for Far East Asian people ever.

  
As far as I can see - "colored" and "of color" mean the same thing - "not white" (which is funny, since white is as much a color as black is). The only difference is the history of the words, since "people of color" probably wasn't used as much, back in the days of unashamed racism. Still - I don't think it makes much practical difference and personally I never seem to find the need for such a category anyway.

(December 15, 2015 at 8:27 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:

(December 15, 2015 at 8:13 am)paulpablo Wrote: I agree with pretty much all this, but this is exactly why it makes no sense to me why people of colour would be more polite than coloured.  It still puts most non whites into one group, although I don't think anyone used the term for Far East Asian people ever.

  
As far as I can see - "colored" and "of color" mean the same thing - "not white" (which is funny, since white is as much a color as black is). The only difference is the history of the words, since "people of color" probably wasn't used as much, back in the days of unashamed racism. Still - I don't think it makes much practical difference and personally I never seem to find the need for such a category anyway.

Technically white is much more coloured than black since black is a shade and white is a mix of many colours but black people aren't technically black anyway.

(December 15, 2015 at 8:38 am)paulpablo Wrote: Technically white is much more coloured than black since black is a shade and white is a mix of many colours but black people aren't technically black anyway.

On the other hand, if we define "color" as "pigment" - black is a color, while white is lack thereof, although obviously white people are not actually white either.