Quote: Disturbing.

You are a sick man. For the safety of the children in your area, please seek professional help.

No. I am not kidding. Seriously.

Yes of course there is no forgivness for this man, but when you do something evil we are supposed to down play it.

Also, forgiving someone is not the same thing as not punishing them. Part of penince might be life in prison. You people are so sad, with the way you treat any view that is not your own with so much contempt. Its called close minded. Freethinker my ass hahahahhahahahahahahhaha my side hurts just thinking about how you pat yourself on the back and think you are a free thinker hahahahahhahaha

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Quote: I need prove nothing,you have already done that all by yourself.

Perhaps you could demonstrate where?

Quote: Go fuck yourself. (and I mean that in the kindest possible way)

Did you know using vulgar obscenities is the mark of an uneducated, and disturbed person?

(January 21, 2011 at 9:55 am)dqualk Wrote: Did you know using vulgar obscenities is the mark of an uneducated, and disturbed person?

Lewis Black: "There is no such thing as bad language. I don't believe that anymore. It's ridiculous. They call it a debasing of the language. No! We are adults. These are the words we use... to express: frustration, rage, and anger... in order that we don't pick up a tire iron and beat the shit out of someone. What word do you use?... 'Oh, look at that...pussyfeathers.'"

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(January 21, 2011 at 9:55 am)dqualk Wrote: Yes of course there is no forgivness for this man, but when you do something evil we are supposed to down play it.

...what?

Quote: Oh, well.... that's alright then, really...........

Pal, any credibility you might have had went straight down the shitter with that comment.

An eye for an eye makes the world go blind. The only way to move forward is by forgivness. I am not saying he should be let loose or not punished. You people are so angry and self-righteous.

I'm sure there are many times in all of your lives that you have done something, and someone has forgiven you for it. I'm sure it was not as heinous as such an act, but we all have skeletons in our closet. I wonder if you people can even forgive yourselves.

All of you close your minds so quickly. You do not stop to think, why would someone forgive in such a situation. This is becasue you are to arrogant, and your arrogance allows to to wallow in your ignorance.

I suggest watching Forgiving Dr. Mengele, its on Netflix, its about a Jewish woman who realizes the power of forgivness and forgives the Nazis. She was at Aushwitz for a long time.

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Quote: Lewis Black: "There is no such thing as bad language. I don't believe that anymore. It's ridiculous. They call it a debasing of the language. No! We are adults. These are the words we use... to express: frustration, rage, and anger... in order that we don't pick up a tire iron and beat the shit out of someone. What word do you use?... 'Oh, look at that...pussyfeathers.'"

Yes it serves its purpose. However, the mark of a good educated man is controlling their emotions. Not letting their emotions dictate the conversation. I use vulgar langauge when talking to vulgar people because sometimes that is the only thing they understand, however I understand that if you want to actually think and I mean THINK about an issue, then cussing should not be involved, as it demonstrates that one is a slave to their passions. I also you vulgar language becuase I have not mastered myself yet.

I say down play becuse I know for certain each and everyone of us has been forgiven for some stupid mistake we have made, or we know a loved one and we are glad they were forgiven, yet we choose not to extend forgiveness up to a certain wavy, subjective line.

dqualk Wrote:When one atheist does something evil I do not bind it upon all atheists. You should not do this to the Catholic Church either.

Yet another inaccurate comparison. The Catholic Church is a dogma-promoting institution around which Catholics are organized. Atheism is in no way an institution, and atheists generally do not organize themselves. It is therefore much more valid to generalize about the former when compared to the latter.

dqualk Wrote:If he confeses his sins with a truly penitent heart he will be forgiven.

dqualk Wrote:If you consistently reject the Truth of God you will go to hell.

So if someone rapes and kills 100 children, but feels bad about it later and asks for God’s forgiveness, he can still go to heaven. But if someone else lives a good moral life and rejects the silly idea of God all the way to the grave, he goes to hell.

How utterly repulsive and immoral.

(January 21, 2011 at 10:03 am)dqualk Wrote: Yes it serves its purpose. However, the mark of a good educated man is controlling their emotions. Not letting their emotions dictate the conversation.

Really? A well-placed "fuck" here or there means you're a "slave to passion"?

(January 21, 2011 at 10:03 am)dqualk Wrote: I use vulgar langauge when talking to vulgar people because sometimes that is the only thing they understand,

How fucking condescending.

(January 21, 2011 at 10:03 am)dqualk Wrote: I say down play becuse I know for certain each and everyone of us has been forgiven for some stupid mistake we have made, or we know a loved one and we are glad they were forgiven, yet we choose not to extend forgiveness up to a certain wavy, subjective line.

When you say "do something evil" you imply it was something pretty damn bad, not a "stupid mistake". Stupid mistake is me forgetting to pay the water bill and my roommate having to forgive me because it was shut off for a day. No lasting harm.

Touch a child and I have no forgiveness for you. You knew it was wrong on every level and you did it anyway, willfully and with full knowledge of its heinous nature. Let your contradictory god forgive you - you'll have none from this woman.

I will never, ever offer any forgiveness to a child molester nor will I respect, but hold utter contempt for, child molester sympathizers like yourself or even if said sympathizer is an all powerful universe creating God.

To say all the molester has to do is ask for forgiveness sincerly and he is to be forgiven is to sympathize with the molester.

I can sympathize with the man who was arrested for possessing a joint, because I smoke pot.

I can sympathize with tax evaders because I evade them myself.

Yes, I'm drawing a parallel here.

Major differance is I do not expect nor do I expect to be offered any 'forgiveness' no matter how sincerely sorry I am for failing to file/pay my taxes. Yet you believe child molesters/rapists/murderers should be offered such accomodation.

I'm hypothesizing your sympathy for child molesters is either becasue your church sympathizes with child molesters or you would enjoy a bit of molesting yourself.

Quote:I suggest watching Forgiving Dr. Mengele, its on Netflix, its about a Jewish woman who realizes the power of forgivness and forgives the Nazis. She was at Aushwitz for a long time.

I saw that and understood (but disagree with) her position. I understand The Jewish position that justice is not about vengeance.

PLUS I really do understand (but disagree with) the Christian position of "hate the sin but love the sinner" . At the Catholic boys school I attended,I was taught there are no unforgivable sins.

However, the issue is not that those rock spiders were forgiven, but that the Church put itself above the law to protect those creatures AS POLICY. (IE the position that canon law trumps civil law) The church CHOSE to protect itself rather than its weakest,most helpless members;children. THAT is despicable and unforgivable.


Your position of a Catholic apologist,defending the indefensible reveals you as a fool with limited capacity for independent thought.


---and the horse you rode in on

Oh dear....this is getting ugly

[crosses legs, unwraps lollipop, and gets ready to watch shit fly]