My Escatological Vision

[dqualk]

Disturbing.

You are a sick man. For the safety of the children in your area, please seek professional help.

No. I am not kidding. Seriously.

Yes of course there is no forgivness for this man, but when you do something evil we are supposed to down play it.

Also, forgiving someone is not the same thing as not punishing them. Part of penince might be life in prison. You people are so sad, with the way you treat any view that is not your own with so much contempt. Its called close minded. Freethinker my ass hahahahhahahahahahahhaha my side hurts just thinking about how you pat yourself on the back and think you are a free thinker hahahahahhahaha

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I need prove nothing,you have already done that all by yourself.

Perhaps you could demonstrate where?

Go fuck yourself. (and I mean that in the kindest possible way)

Did you know using vulgar obscenities is the mark of an uneducated, and disturbed person?

[thesummerqueen]

Did you know using vulgar obscenities is the mark of an uneducated, and disturbed person?

Lewis Black: "There is no such thing as bad language. I don't believe that anymore. It's ridiculous. They call it a debasing of the language. No! We are adults. These are the words we use... to express: frustration, rage, and anger... in order that we don't pick up a tire iron and beat the shit out of someone. What word do you use?... 'Oh, look at that...pussyfeathers.'"

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Yes of course there is no forgivness for this man, but when you do something evil we are supposed to down play it.

...what?

[dqualk]

Oh, well.... that's alright then, really...........

Pal, any credibility you might have had went straight down the shitter with that comment.

An eye for an eye makes the world go blind. The only way to move forward is by forgivness. I am not saying he should be let loose or not punished. You people are so angry and self-righteous.

I'm sure there are many times in all of your lives that you have done something, and someone has forgiven you for it. I'm sure it was not as heinous as such an act, but we all have skeletons in our closet. I wonder if you people can even forgive yourselves.

All of you close your minds so quickly. You do not stop to think, why would someone forgive in such a situation. This is becasue you are to arrogant, and your arrogance allows to to wallow in your ignorance.

I suggest watching Forgiving Dr. Mengele, its on Netflix, its about a Jewish woman who realizes the power of forgivness and forgives the Nazis. She was at Aushwitz for a long time.

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Lewis Black: "There is no such thing as bad language. I don't believe that anymore. It's ridiculous. They call it a debasing of the language. No! We are adults. These are the words we use... to express: frustration, rage, and anger... in order that we don't pick up a tire iron and beat the shit out of someone. What word do you use?... 'Oh, look at that...pussyfeathers.'"

Yes it serves its purpose. However, the mark of a good educated man is controlling their emotions. Not letting their emotions dictate the conversation. I use vulgar langauge when talking to vulgar people because sometimes that is the only thing they understand, however I understand that if you want to actually think and I mean THINK about an issue, then cussing should not be involved, as it demonstrates that one is a slave to their passions. I also you vulgar language becuase I have not mastered myself yet.

I say down play becuse I know for certain each and everyone of us has been forgiven for some stupid mistake we have made, or we know a loved one and we are glad they were forgiven, yet we choose not to extend forgiveness up to a certain wavy, subjective line.

[OnlyNatural]

When one atheist does something evil I do not bind it upon all atheists. You should not do this to the Catholic Church either.

Yet another inaccurate comparison. The Catholic Church is a dogma-promoting institution around which Catholics are organized. Atheism is in no way an institution, and atheists generally do not organize themselves. It is therefore much more valid to generalize about the former when compared to the latter.

If he confeses his sins with a truly penitent heart he will be forgiven.

If you consistently reject the Truth of God you will go to hell.

So if someone rapes and kills 100 children, but feels bad about it later and asks for God’s forgiveness, he can still go to heaven. But if someone else lives a good moral life and rejects the silly idea of God all the way to the grave, he goes to hell.

How utterly repulsive and immoral.

[thesummerqueen]

Yes it serves its purpose. However, the mark of a good educated man is controlling their emotions. Not letting their emotions dictate the conversation.

Really? A well-placed "fuck" here or there means you're a "slave to passion"?

I use vulgar langauge when talking to vulgar people because sometimes that is the only thing they understand,

How fucking condescending.

I say down play becuse I know for certain each and everyone of us has been forgiven for some stupid mistake we have made, or we know a loved one and we are glad they were forgiven, yet we choose not to extend forgiveness up to a certain wavy, subjective line.

When you say "do something evil" you imply it was something pretty damn bad, not a "stupid mistake". Stupid mistake is me forgetting to pay the water bill and my roommate having to forgive me because it was shut off for a day. No lasting harm.

Touch a child and I have no forgiveness for you. You knew it was wrong on every level and you did it anyway, willfully and with full knowledge of its heinous nature. Let your contradictory god forgive you - you'll have none from this woman.

[Dotard]

I will never, ever offer any forgiveness to a child molester nor will I respect, but hold utter contempt for, child molester sympathizers like yourself or even if said sympathizer is an all powerful universe creating God.

To say all the molester has to do is ask for forgiveness sincerly and he is to be forgiven is to sympathize with the molester.

I can sympathize with the man who was arrested for possessing a joint, because I smoke pot.

I can sympathize with tax evaders because I evade them myself.

Yes, I'm drawing a parallel here.

Major differance is I do not expect nor do I expect to be offered any 'forgiveness' no matter how sincerely sorry I am for failing to file/pay my taxes. Yet you believe child molesters/rapists/murderers should be offered such accomodation.

I'm hypothesizing your sympathy for child molesters is either becasue your church sympathizes with child molesters or you would enjoy a bit of molesting yourself.

[Welsh cake]

You attempt to stop me from talking about a particular kind of atheism by saying that all atheism is defined by the way you define atheism, this is a way to avoid talking about the issue by making up a false problem, a cop out.

It's not a cop out you colossal cretin, you meant to say a "red herring", and no its not! I am not trying to evade the subject matter when I am addressing it directly i.e your inability to grasp what atheism is and is not. Don't quote idiomatic expressions when you haven't taken the time to learn their meanings or what they are referring to.

I'll tell you what, I'll began calling it atheistic materialism. Just for you.

What part of "you don't get to have your own definition of atheism when a current working definition of the word already exists in the English Language" did you not understand? One can be a theist and a materialist as well you know, but that does not give you any entitlement to address theism broadly as "theistic materialism".

The fact is many people use atheist as a short for athesitic materialism, as one has not need to use the term atheist which only means a lack of God. People use the term Theism to mean various things as well. If you've read a book in your life you would know that.

Please take your erroneous assertions and kindly shove them back your up arse from whence they came.

You probably have not read a book, becasue you cannot read.

I've read one book you haven't, a dictionary, learn to spell.

As I have never once used the belief of masses as conclusive evidence to prove something. I do use it as a way to strengthen my arguement.

Gosh that's uncanny because I never once said you did base your case for god upon just one fallacy alone, but since your argument is in need of more holes to lose water faster here's the rest for your consideration:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

lol prove it.

Prove what? That atheism is logically as old as theism? Simple, were you born with the belief in god or gods?

However about those who make the positive claim that God does not exist?

That's arguing for a negative. Do you understand the difference between ontologically positive claims and negative claims? If I say the giant frog in the sun isn't real, is that a positive or a negative claim?

You are shifting the burden of proof on to theists, so I'll say shifting the burden of proof gets us nowhere.

If you make any ontological claim, not just one where there's a god, who does the burden fall onto in an epistemic dispute? Its certainty not on me, you'd very much like that to be so I know, but you can't have your cake and eat it, unlike you I've made no claims about reality, I've responded to yours and I still remain unconvinced because you've done a piss-poor job of presenting your god hypothesis.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

I suggest watching Forgiving Dr. Mengele, its on Netflix, its about a Jewish woman who realizes the power of forgivness and forgives the Nazis. She was at Aushwitz for a long time.

I saw that and understood (but disagree with) her position. I understand The Jewish position that justice is not about vengeance.

PLUS I really do understand (but disagree with) the Christian position of "hate the sin but love the sinner" . At the Catholic boys school I attended,I was taught there are no unforgivable sins.

However, the issue is not that those rock spiders were forgiven, but that the Church put itself above the law to protect those creatures AS POLICY. (IE the position that canon law trumps civil law) The church CHOSE to protect itself rather than its weakest,most helpless members;children. THAT is despicable and unforgivable.


Your position of a Catholic apologist,defending the indefensible reveals you as a fool with limited capacity for independent thought.


---and the horse you rode in on

[KichigaiNeko]

Oh dear....this is getting ugly

[thesummerqueen]

[crosses legs, unwraps lollipop, and gets ready to watch shit fly]