We're ducks now?

I get that impression from being someone who has walked around and experienced multiple socueties and communities.

(January 16, 2016 at 9:41 pm)bennyboy Wrote:

(January 16, 2016 at 9:13 pm)Thena323 Wrote: Yeah, but this tug war primarily exists in places where people's ideologies render them unable to mind their own godddamned business. From where I and many others stand, there simply is no tug war on this particular matter. 

I wear whatever the hell I want to wear. 
Don't like it? Too fucking bad.

THE END

You are welcome to wear whatever you want.  But if you wear clothes that reveal or accentuate your sexuality, in the eyes of others, then do not complain when those eyes are looking at you as an object of sexual interest.  If your boobs are showing, and men look at them, you don't get to say, "Like oh my gawwwwwd I'm up here!" and if your camel-toe vagina is showing through your tight yoga pants, you don't get to be surprised when men start drooling and staring at your crotch.

Perhaps women shouldn't be "surprised" when that happens, but that still doesn't give men an excuse to objectify a woman. Men are not dogs and still have the ability to look away or to refrain from seeing a fellow human being as an object.

@ OP

I'm thirsty. I could use a coffee,

Could you use one TrueChristain? No? Anyone else? Anyone f'uckoffee?

I know, right?

Bitch wears: high heels, super-red lipstick, super-short skirt that shows the bottom fold of her ass, fishnet stockings, heavy eye makeup, boobs hanging out both top AND bottom of tiny tank top.

Bitch says: Like oh my gawwwwd! What are you staring at, loser? I'm not a fucking object, I'm a person.

(January 16, 2016 at 10:51 pm)Beccs Wrote: We're ducks now?

I get that impression from being someone who has walked around and experienced multiple socueties and communities.

It was my phone

(January 16, 2016 at 10:55 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I know, right?

Bitch wears: high heels, super-red lipstick, super-short skirt that shows the bottom fold of her ass, fishnet stockings, heavy eye makeup, boobs hanging out both top AND bottom of tiny tank top.

Bitch says: Like oh my gawwwwd!  What are you staring at, loser?  I'm not a fucking object, I'm a person.

Why are you referring to her as a bitch? And wouldn't you agree she is a person and should be treated as one, regardless of what she's wearing?

(January 16, 2016 at 9:41 pm)bennyboy Wrote:

(January 16, 2016 at 9:13 pm)Thena323 Wrote: I wear whatever the hell I want to wear. 
Don't like it? Too fucking bad.

You are welcome to wear whatever you want.  But if you wear clothes that reveal or accentuate your sexuality, in the eyes of others, then do not complain when those eyes are looking at you as an object of sexual interest.  If your boobs are showing, and men look at them, you don't get to say, "Like oh my gawwwwwd I'm up here!" and if your camel-toe vagina is showing through your tight yoga pants, you don't get to be surprised when men start drooling and staring at your crotch.

Thena already replied to Heat, on this point...she said:

Quote:Stare where you like, Heat. Keep it at that, and I truly couldn't give a shit.

bennyboy,

I'd like to think that if I were a man, and a woman just wanted to play headgames with me,
I would be smarter than to play along.

If she's the type that dresses that way because she wants to get laid,
then she won't mind you noticing,
(as long as you're not scary about it).

But,

If she's the type that wants to exaggerate her "boobs and camel-toe",
AND wants to give you a hard time for noticing them
...then just walk away, man.  Ignore her completely.
(Obviously you're not getting into her pants,
so why hang around after she rebukes you)?

Instead, the response I'm hearing from you guys is this:

You're saying that if a woman plays games with you,
by dressing that provocatively,
AND objecting to your noticing,
that instead of walking away and ignoring her stupid games,

....you're going to retaliate....by staring.

First of all, this is a juvenile response.  It is frat-boy behavior.

Secondly, it is also not very smart.
If the situation escalates for any reason, and she calls the cops, you will be the ones in trouble.

Thirdly, it plays right into her hands.
She wanted to play a game,
and here you are being her puppet.
Whereas if you just walk away, her game is over.

Finally, it accomplishes NOTHING.

She is not worth the time, if she is the type who plays games.
There are better women out there who will not play games.
Why waste your time with her?

(January 16, 2016 at 9:27 pm)Heat Wrote:

(January 16, 2016 at 9:13 pm)Thena323 Wrote: Yeah, but this tug war primarily exists in places where people's ideologies render them unable to mind their own godddamned business. From where I and many others stand, there simply is no tug war on this particular matter. 

I wear whatever the hell I want to wear. 
Don't like it? Too fucking bad.

THE END

I'll stare wherever I want to stare.

Don't like it? Too fucking bad.

Mind your own goddamned business.

If a woman dresses sexy, then I think she knows she will get a few looks.

As Thena says, as long as it's just stares....and not menacing behavior,
then there's no REAL problem.

I have to raise the question, though:  what do you accomplish by staring?

I can understand a discreet appreciative glance;

but you're promising you will respond to any sexy attire with a meat-stare.

This puzzles and alarms me:


First of all, you'd stand a better chance of eventually getting to touch, and not merely look,
if you began by being civil, respectful, and if the opportunity permits, charming, to her.

(Now, maybe you feel that is unlikely, so you may as well treat yourself to an unapologetic eyeful;
but that brings me to my second point):

...aren't you just tormenting yourself?

Isn't that a bit like lingering outside the pizzeria when you're hungry and broke
just standing there, smelling the pizza cooking,
instead of getting yourself out of torture-range
of dwelling on what you cannot have?

So,

I can't help but wonder why it would be worth it for you to stare,
given both those reasons;

...much less sit and argue with women, about it, in an online forum,
where you make the point, to us, that you PLAN to stare,

...and you are making a point of telling us that,
with just as much deliberation as you probably WILL stare, IRL.

Forgive me, but given the reasons I just provided,
as to why staring would be self-defeating,
I can't help but read that declaration as combative....and a bit disquieting.

It smacks of petulance and resentment.

You're not merely making a good-natured quip about appreciating a sexy woman's appearance;

you're making a promise that if any woman dares to dress provocatively enough to tempt you,
that you will make a point of STARING "where you like".

That is not quite "menacing", but it's certainly intimidating.

The message that it SEEMS like you wish to send, non-verbally, is this:

" I want to make sure there's no doubt in your mind, honey, that while I know what I'm not allowed to do,
I resent that you're allowed to tempt me, anyway, so I'm going to stand here salivating and staring at you,
like a tiger watching a taunting child on the other side of the glass at the zoo.
Yes...you're safe...but I'm not going to pretend for one second that I am happy about it,
and I want you to know that you're damn lucky that glass is between us. "

(January 16, 2016 at 10:53 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(January 16, 2016 at 9:41 pm)bennyboy Wrote: You are welcome to wear whatever you want.  But if you wear clothes that reveal or accentuate your sexuality, in the eyes of others, then do not complain when those eyes are looking at you as an object of sexual interest.  If your boobs are showing, and men look at them, you don't get to say, "Like oh my gawwwwwd I'm up here!" and if your camel-toe vagina is showing through your tight yoga pants, you don't get to be surprised when men start drooling and staring at your crotch.

Perhaps women shouldn't be "surprised" when that happens, but that still doesn't give men an excuse to objectify a woman. Men are not dogs and still have the ability to look away or to refrain from seeing a fellow human being as an object.

Well sure.  Technically I could look away.  But if, as in Bennyboy's example, I was simultaneously getting eyes full of boobies and camel toe .. would it be wrong to just hump her a little bit? (Purely involuntary hip thrusting mind you, nothing deliberate.)

(January 16, 2016 at 11:05 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote:

(January 16, 2016 at 10:53 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Perhaps women shouldn't be "surprised" when that happens, but that still doesn't give men an excuse to objectify a woman. Men are not dogs and still have the ability to look away or to refrain from seeing a fellow human being as an object.

Well sure.  Technically I could.  But if, as in Bennyboy's example, I was simultaneously getting eyeful boobies and camel toe .. would it be wrong to just hump her a little bit?

Yes, and if you do I kind of hope she punches you in the throat.