(January 17, 2016 at 3:43 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(January 17, 2016 at 3:08 pm)Heat Wrote: It's completely different when talking about "dressing sexy" and "dressing different".

For the simple fact that the term "Sexy" comes from what is defined as attractive by others, even if choosing what you personally find to be attractive it's all relative to what society has deemed it so. No one's going out in all black with makeup and stuff, goth and saying they are "Sexy" simply because they like the outfit. It relies entirely on other people, whereas in your comparison, being "goth" doesn't.


Would it make it okay for people to go around naked because that's simply how they want to express themselves?

Do people go to nudist beaches to express themselves? No, they go there to stray away from what they know is true of society; if you were to go nude in public it would get reactions, and lots of attention, and by doing so knowing that factor you are then seeking attention. That's why they have to go to a specific place, where the norm. is being nude, in order to feel as though they are normal. Therefore if a girl wears skimpy clothes in public, she should know she will get attention that's possibly unwanted, and by doing so is seeking attention because that is not the social norm. If it's so big of a deal to give yourself confidence then just do it in your own house, it defeats the purpose of "public" to say it's nothing to do with others.

I don't see how expressing yourself with "sexy" clothing is different from expressing yourself with any other type of clothing. You're being a bit biased, perhaps because you personally don't like having to deal with the temptation of gawking. 

As for going around naked, if they are in a nudist community, I don't see a problem with it at all (otherwise it would be a crime). If you look into nudist communities, it's mostly about the hippie, liberating lifestyle than it is about sex and tempting each other.

Yes, and why do you join a nudist colony? To get away from the societal norms of how you should dress, and the amount of clothing you should wear for it to be appropriate in public out of respect for the other people. Therefore someone dressing outside of the social norm. should know she will get looked at.

I've explained this many times you continue to ignore me, and say you simply "Don't understand". Sexy clothing is defined by what's ATTRACTIVE, so why are you dressing attractive while criticizing others for showing you attraction? It's silly! "Sexy clothes" are not worn in PUBLIC for solely PRIVATE gain. It defeats the whole purpose of 'public'. If you are wearing skimpy clothes, clothes that will inevitably grab men's attention, don't hypocritically say it has nothing to do with other people. IF IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OTHERS GO WEAR IT IN PRIVATE IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL THAT GOOD.

Seriously, replace the word "sexy" with "attractive" clothing, and then tell me that you are wearing "attractive clothing" and weren't wanting other people to be attracted. This claim is beyond ridiculous and hypocritical..

What the heck happened to this thread while I was sleeping?

I think reality is this: on an individual level, you wouldn't really expect ANY man to lose control of himself in response to certain clothing or behaviors. However, on a statistical level, we know for sure that certain clothing and behaviors will raise a woman's risk of being raped.

If it makes anyone feel better to blame the rapists, that's fine. They are out of control monsters. But we know they exist, and as sad as that is, that's a reality of the human species. All the justified blame in the world won't serve as a very effective barrier against a drunk monster's penis. But staying home, dressing conservatively, and meeting guys only at your local church probably will reduce risk a lot.

(January 16, 2016 at 8:27 pm)MTL Wrote:

(January 16, 2016 at 8:18 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: I like your posts. 
Yes, agree.

There are times when of course, dressing modestly makes sense...at work...and now that I'm engaged, my attire is sexy with him in mind only. I was never one to flaunt my body per se, but yoga pants, tight skirts with the right heels, I mean...if it looks good and sexy, but not cheap...then, I like it. I tend to wear what I like, and feel good in, and comfortable.

Truthfully, if I could wear pj's all day, with my hair in a messy bun...and reading glasses I would. My fiance also finds this sexy, but that's love talking. 

Aww, that's sweet.

I'm glad you like my posts, because they're long as fuck.

Brevity is not my strong suit.

I'm surprised no-one has ever said this to me, yet:

but you write well, so it doesn't appear wordy...if that makes sense. 

(January 17, 2016 at 3:51 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(January 17, 2016 at 3:49 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: No, but it easier to control things with negation of temptation.

Not justifying tape in any way, shape, or form. Nor am I advocating for the restriction of acceptable clothing. Just stating The obvious.

A dog can be a good pet. But if you leave it alone with an unguarded steak it may eat it. If you hadn't left it with the steak then it can't eat it.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

This is the problem with your thinking. You're equating men to dogs. Unlike dogs, civilized human beings have the ability to think and make decisions and resist temptation for the sake of doing the right, respectful thing.

Yet still, the vast majority does not.

I agree with your post. Surely, one day, all will do what is right for the sake of prosperous existence of all, but for now most are blinded by greed.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

(January 17, 2016 at 3:51 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:

(January 17, 2016 at 3:49 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: No, but it easier to control things with negation of temptation.

Not justifying tape in any way, shape, or form. Nor am I advocating for the restriction of acceptable clothing. Just stating The obvious.

A dog can be a good pet. But if you leave it alone with an unguarded steak it may eat it. If you hadn't left it with the steak then it can't eat it.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

I have never raped anybody and I have been to strip clubs and the beach.

Likewise. We aren't talking about your average Joe. We are speaking of predatory criminals.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

(January 17, 2016 at 4:03 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:

(January 17, 2016 at 3:56 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Agreed. Luckily, I don't think this is normal men's thinking. I used to live by the beach when I was a kid, and then again for a few years as an adult. I can assure anyone here that I have never seen a man at the beach acting like anything other than a normal human being, despite all the nearly naked women walking around.

No not normal men's thinking at all, I have lived in south florida all my life, hot women in hardly nothing walking around everywhere and men going about their daily lives just fine.

^Yep. My experience as well.

Also, I am massively jealous of you for living in South Florida all your life. That's like, my dream location to live in. Hopefully someday...

(January 17, 2016 at 4:04 pm)Heat Wrote:

(January 17, 2016 at 3:43 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't see how expressing yourself with "sexy" clothing is different from expressing yourself with any other type of clothing. You're being a bit biased, perhaps because you personally don't like having to deal with the temptation of gawking. 

As for going around naked, if they are in a nudist community, I don't see a problem with it at all (otherwise it would be a crime). If you look into nudist communities, it's mostly about the hippie, liberating lifestyle than it is about sex and tempting each other.

Yes, and why do you join a nudist colony? To get away from the societal norms of how you should dress, and the amount of clothing you should wear for it to be appropriate in public out of respect for the other people. Therefore someone dressing outside of the social norm. should know she will get looked at.

I've explained this many times you continue to ignore me, and say you simply "Don't understand". Sexy clothing is defined by what's ATTRACTIVE, so why are you dressing attractive while criticizing others for showing you attraction? It's silly! "Sexy clothes" are not worn in PUBLIC for solely PRIVATE gain. It defeats the whole purpose of 'public'. If you are wearing skimpy clothes, clothes that will inevitably grab men's attention, don't hypocritically say it has nothing to do with other people. IF IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OTHERS GO WEAR IT IN PRIVATE IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL THAT GOOD.

Seriously, replace the word "sexy" with "attractive" clothing, and then tell me that you are wearing "attractive clothing" and weren't wanting other people to be attracted. This claim is beyond ridiculous and hypocritical..

Like myself and a handful of other women here have repeatedly explained to you, that is not the case. You refuse to believe us, so there's really not much else we can say.

(January 17, 2016 at 4:05 pm)bennyboy Wrote: What the heck happened to this thread while I was sleeping?

I think reality is this: on an individual level, you wouldn't really expect ANY man to lose control of himself in response to certain clothing or behaviors. However, on a statistical level, we know for sure that certain clothing and behaviors will raise a woman's risk of being raped.

If it makes anyone feel better to blame the rapists, that's fine. They are out of control monsters. But we know they exist, and as sad as that is, that's a reality of the human species. All the justified blame in the world won't serve as a very effective barrier against a drunk monster's penis. But staying home, dressing conservatively, and meeting guys only at your local church probably will reduce risk a lot.

Thanks

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

(January 17, 2016 at 4:08 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote:

(January 17, 2016 at 3:51 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: This is the problem with your thinking. You're equating men to dogs. Unlike dogs, civilized human beings have the ability to think and make decisions and resist temptation for the sake of doing the right, respectful thing.

Yet still, the vast majority does not.

I agree with your post. Surely, one day, all will do what is right for the sake of prosperous existence of all, but for now most are blinded by greed.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

And yet the "vast majority" of the men commenting on this thread think this is utterly untrue.

Everyone pops is PM'ing me saying that I am lying about him, did I say anything about him that was not in line with what he was posting?