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Why More Americans Want to Own Guns
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RE: Why More Americans Want to Own Guns
February 16, 2016 at 9:45 pm
Oh, horseshit.

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RE: Why More Americans Want to Own Guns
February 16, 2016 at 9:56 pm (This post was last modified: February 16, 2016 at 9:57 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 16, 2016 at 9:42 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: Need is a pretty good reason, as is the sort of hobbyism which may be absent in Britain.
Here you and I agree, but for some there is no need, and a hobby isn't a reason, ofc.  

Quote:On the other hand, there is no factual relation between gun ownership and gun-related deaths, therefore it's offensive to hold gun owners to any question of need.
......that's the one that really mystifies me.  

Quote:As for the attempts which certain assholes are making to decide how many and what sort of guns other people should own, this sadly justifies the clamor of the right wing with words such as "totalitarian".
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RE: Why More Americans Want to Own Guns
February 16, 2016 at 10:16 pm
My offer still stands. Send me all of your unwanted guns. I'll give them a good, loving and safe home.
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Why More Americans Want to Own Guns
February 16, 2016 at 10:23 pm
(February 16, 2016 at 10:16 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: My offer still stands. Send me all of your unwanted guns. I'll give them a good, loving and safe home.


I don't think many people here have any to give you.
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RE: Why More Americans Want to Own Guns
February 16, 2016 at 10:24 pm
(February 16, 2016 at 9:19 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Well, there's certainly far less need for guns than there are guns.  Even if we both agree that some people need them, or certain situations called for them..that'd still be no less true.  

If I had no need of a gun, I'd still want one, personally. I own a few with no particular need for them, in the sense we seem to be discussing. I'm not sure that need factors into this discussion -at all-, though. What need do we have of press, assembly, or petition? Do we refer to our need of these things when we declare our right to them, or our desire to enjoy that right? If someone could not explain why they personally needed, or if indeed someone simply -did not- need the first or the third amendment (or any other)...or anything not specifically listed but touched upon all the same, would that mean something?

So, let's roll with it, let's say no one in the US -needs- a gun for anything. What now? People will still want them, there's still the second amendment, and there's still no solid grounds to tell them no. Why do these discussions always circle the drain of necessity when it's irrelevant either way we go with it?

I think need came into play when I introduced my particular situation.

I certainly wasn't trying to imply that need was the only criterion for the exercise of rights, only that regarding this particular right, it is need that has me shopping.

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RE: Why More Americans Want to Own Guns
February 17, 2016 at 4:02 am
People say they want guns for defense of their homes. But offer them non-lethal alternatives and they ignore you.
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Why More Americans Want to Own Guns
February 17, 2016 at 7:05 am
(February 17, 2016 at 4:02 am)Gawdzilla Wrote: People say they want guns for defense of their homes. But offer them non-lethal alternatives and they ignore you.

Invent a phaser that has a stun setting and I'll listen.
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RE: Why More Americans Want to Own Guns
February 17, 2016 at 12:13 pm
(February 17, 2016 at 7:05 am)KUSA Wrote:
(February 17, 2016 at 4:02 am)Gawdzilla Wrote: People say they want guns for defense of their homes. But offer them non-lethal alternatives and they ignore you.

Invent a phaser that has a stun setting and I'll listen.

I'll be happy to teach you some stuff. It's easy-peasy!

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RE: Why More Americans Want to Own Guns
February 17, 2016 at 12:19 pm (This post was last modified: February 17, 2016 at 12:20 pm by Excited Penguin.)
(February 17, 2016 at 12:13 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(February 17, 2016 at 7:05 am)KUSA Wrote: Invent a phaser that has a stun setting and I'll listen.

I'll be happy to teach you some stuff. It's easy-peasy!

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Guns are long-range(to mention just one upside). No form of martial arts can replace them.
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RE: Why More Americans Want to Own Guns
February 17, 2016 at 12:36 pm
How many people fight intruders in their home at long range?
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