(February 25, 2016 at 9:18 am)RobbyPants Wrote: I think I've figured out why the flood gets Christians worked up into such a tizzy. It's because it's one of their few claims that's actually 100% falsifiable (and guess what: it turns out to be false). We can actually evaluate their claims and prove them wrong, and saying "but I just have faith" makes them look even more crazy. I imagine this is why most Christians I know in person either say that this story didn't actually happen, or they are much quicker to invoke magic, instead of trying to keep this story all within the realm of science.

I don't think atheists typically view the theist position in the most predictive light.
Atheists continually argue about evidence supported positions claiming Truth.
It isn't about Truth at all.
It's the shared crazy that makes it all work, the crazier, the better.
It welds together the stupid and ignorant in a structure of power and control that they cannot achieve individually.
The strength and stability of that structure is what counts.
All the theist need do is put their hands on their hips, jut out their lower lips and assert, "It is too true!"
They can't be stopped at this, argument cannot rebut their position, only derision will serve.
Smarter theists abandon science relatively early.  By doing so the laughter can be delayed.

Quote:Because you all came hard with science just one or two pages back, and now for some reason have abandoned it for name calling...

Because "science" is too hard for a dork like you.... but you do understand what it means to be a twat.

(February 25, 2016 at 10:36 am)Drich Wrote: Because you all came hard with science just one or two pages back, and now for some reason have abandoned it for name calling...

We gave up on science with you because you think it is not only possible for a human to live to five hundred years old, but that they could build a huge boat at that age.

As JuliaL says, it isn't about Truth at all with you. It's the shared crazy that makes it all work.

There is no point trying to reason with you. You are beyond reason.

(February 25, 2016 at 11:16 am)Chas Wrote:

(February 22, 2016 at 1:39 pm)Mancunian Wrote: I just wonder how many animals survived at an altitude of 29000 feet, the flood waters covered the highest mountain apparently.
I bet Noah was freezing the poor old fellow. All that work creating all that lovely scenery wasted on a temper tantrum.

It would not be an altitude of 29,000 feet - it would be sea level.

Welcome to my world Chas, glad to see that Drich is not the only one who does not get irony.

(February 25, 2016 at 10:12 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Oh God, now Drich is comparing himself to Jesus.

Well, Jesus was a delusional religious nutcase with an exaggerated sense of his own importance so they do have that in common.

(February 25, 2016 at 10:36 am)Drich Wrote:

(February 25, 2016 at 9:18 am)RobbyPants Wrote: I think I've figured out why the flood gets Christians worked up into such a tizzy. It's because it's one of their few claims that's actually 100% falsifiable (and guess what: it turns out to be false). We can actually evaluate their claims and prove them wrong, and saying "but I just have faith" makes them look even more crazy. I imagine this is why most Christians I know in person either say that this story didn't actually happen, or they are much quicker to invoke magic, instead of trying to keep this story all within the realm of science.

Really?!?!?

Because you all came hard with science just one or two pages back, and now for some reason have abandoned it for name calling...

Yes, that "some reason" you allude to is your complete dependence on justifying your unsupported beliefs, that you are willing to go through some really impressive mental gymnastics in order to continue to believe them.

So, sometimes, all that's left is just to point and laugh. 

It's not our fault that you are the 10 year old on the school bus, being ridiculed by his or her peers for still believing in Santa Claus.

(February 25, 2016 at 10:36 am)Drich Wrote: Because you all came hard with science just one or two pages back, and now for some reason have abandoned it for name calling...

Hmmmm I wonder why that is? I wonder WHO amongst the wolves used the great and powerful science against the said wolves to silence ALL Of them and reduce them to little more than wimpering and name calling now...

Or did you personally skip over that part/went selectively blind to post what you just did?

Drich, I have learned a long time ago from people exactly like you not to waste my time trying to actually explain the science. Looking for intellectual honesty from a full blown flood apologist is a foregone conclusion. It is tautologically impossible to find it. Once someone gets it in their head that they have a psychological need to prove the flood right (or at least shoot down any dissenting point of view), there is no reasoning with them.

So, yes, I will jump immediately past intellectually honest discussion of facts and evidence and go straight to name calling, because either way, I'm not going to get any type of good discussion from the apologist, and this is more cathartic.

(February 25, 2016 at 10:36 am)Drich Wrote: You people are beyond delusional. You literally are what you claim Christians to be!

No, you! Seriously, dude.

(February 22, 2016 at 2:35 pm)Drich Wrote: Maybe you can ask one of you more intelligent peers to explain this to you, if you don't want to take my word for it.. but if this did happen then the water would push the atmosphere up with it. So what you count now 30K feet, is 30,000 feet from is sea level. Now add enough water to encompass the earth to what we now call 30,000 ft, and... it becomes the new SEA LEVEL! so the new 30K feet would be what we call 60K feet. So what would the conditions at the new sea level/30k feet? the same as they are now at our current sea level.

The air pressure is based on gravity and containment. So, if the atmosphere were pushed up, pressure would increase due to containment and the top layer would be pushed beyond the ability of gravity to hold it in place in which case there would be a loss of air.  This loss of air would reduce the pressure until equilibrium is reached and in the end, the air pressure at  29,000 feet would be the same as it is now.  However, once the waters receded, there is no additional air to replace the lost air.  I guess you are saying that there was more air before the flood?  Even so, the difference in height would still be an issue on maintaining proper o2 and co2 balance in all the animals including Noah and kin which would continue after the waters receded.

This is the point where he has to plug his pet god into the cracks.

There are few things funnier to me than being lectured to about science by a person who bases his "scientific" view of the world on an ancient story contained in his holy book -- a story that has to be true. The resulting mental gymnastics are practically a case study of the ways people can mind fuck themselves. It's amazing to behold.

Dull and sad but amazing nonetheless.